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Gonzo 11-15-2008 10:53 AM

New 5.0L engine rebuild or crate?
 
Does anyone know a good shop in southern ontario to have an engine built? Or somewhere in canada to order a crate engine? I would like more power than the stock motor, but nothing too crazy that I can't keep it on the road.

Stang Illusions 5.0L 11-15-2008 05:38 PM

Just do the engine yourself.....
Heads, cam, intakes, and a turbo/blower good way to max the power to your 5.0L 450-550 RWHP

Gonzo 11-15-2008 05:42 PM

I have never done any engine work before, not internal stuff. Not sure if I want to chance it

Gonzo 11-15-2008 05:44 PM

Plus I have 0 oil pressure at idle so I have to figure out what is wrong

Stang Illusions 5.0L 11-15-2008 05:52 PM

Well, i'm sure it isn't that serious I hope.

Theres not really much internal you need to do, just tear yours down and replace what you took off with "better" parts lol.
and for wiring its all just plug and play, you can only plug a plug in one spot only pretty streight forward

demonicus 12-26-2008 04:27 PM

3500 gets you a 347 shortblock from ford. clearances are spot on... we have a guy here in the lower mainland named parm who owns jawanda motor sports. He ordered one for some reason or another and decided to check the clearances so that he had some confidence behind the product. I believe he order everything from brown bros. ford in vancouver, BC. They are an exclusive dealer for Ford Racing performance parts.

I'm not exactly sure what the block is for that setup tho. Hopefully something capable of handling 800+hp.

If your looking to make more then stock power I suggest looking at the vids I posted in the media section. That motor sported the following:
stock block
keith black .020 bore pistons (not nessassary)
Ford E cam altho the Trickflow Stage1 is much more refined (not so lumpy)
stock heads with Crane Cams energizer RR's
shorty headers and a 2.5" flowmaster hpipe with flowmaster 2chamber catback
70mm edelbrock TB with stock intake.

my guess is that the motor was making 250hp / 320ft lbs tq
If anything it sounds nice and has enough power to zip you past alot of the other cars.

The cam and RR's are for sale if interested.

demonicus 12-26-2008 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 99080)
Plus I have 0 oil pressure at idle so I have to figure out what is wrong

you might wanna pull the oil sending units wire off and clean the terminal abit and squeeze the plug to make it fit tighter. The sending unit may be the reason of 0 oil pressure if your motor isn't giving you any other problems. just something I had to deal with last yr.

Gonzo 12-28-2008 06:28 PM

I would like to build a little more than stock power, but nothing too crazy. I think I am going to drive the car till the engine dies.

I put a mechanical gauge on and it game me the same readings, I also had a mechanic check it with an electric gauge and he got the same readings.

Thanks for the info

Fox_Five_Oh 12-31-2008 02:03 PM

seeing as how this is in the 5.0
and I think I'm still on topic here...

how much power will the crank handle on a 5.0 1989?

and I mean safely. none of this "well it can hold xxxHP but it'd only last a couple weeks LOL" much obliged

2tone 12-31-2008 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Stang Illusions 5.0L (Post 99078)
Just do the engine yourself.....
Heads, cam, intakes, and a turbo/blower good way to max the power to your 5.0L 450-550 RWHP

Easier said than done :)

Most inner city people don't have the space compared to someone who owns acreage out in Trenton :)

Also, building a modded engine as your first engine can turn out to be a costly disaster if you don't have the right people to support you.

However, truth be told, if you build it yourself you save some serious coin.


Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 99079)
I have never done any engine work before, not internal stuff. Not sure if I want to chance it

Gonzo, I am with you on this one. I helped assemble some of my 306 in a shop with the guidance of an experienced builder. I wouldn't want to take this task on myself at home without knowing I could turn to someone for help.


Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 99080)
Plus I have 0 oil pressure at idle so I have to figure out what is wrong

Your oil pressure should atleast be floating around to some degree. 0 oil pressure is not good for long durations of time.

Try running 20/50.



Originally Posted by Fox_Five_Oh (Post 101167)
seeing as how this is in the 5.0
and I think I'm still on topic here...

how much power will the crank handle on a 5.0 1989?

and I mean safely. none of this "well it can hold xxxHP but it'd only last a couple weeks LOL" much obliged

I think 275-325 at the crank is realistic. The block walls are just to thin for big power.

As for good engine builders... Rolling Thunderz in Woodbridge has good rep. Beatty & Woods built my 306 and I am very pleased with it.

Gonzo 12-31-2008 04:30 PM

Thanks Rickp, I was looking at ordering an engine from Jasper engines, but I think I will try a heavier oil and see what happens. The car still makes good power, doesn't blow smoke or knock or ping. I will drive it till it dies and hopefully the canadian dollar will gain some ground so I can order something from the US. I will give Rolling Thunderz a call

2tone 12-31-2008 04:41 PM

I have never dealt with R.T. myself as a customer. But a friend of mine put about 15k into his motor and they did a lot of work. Typical of shops, we did a lot of standing around and waiting when we made the trek up there.

One thing they always told us is that when it came to porting they were the kings and many shops used them. Of course the sales pitch was laughable until they even showed us the caller ID of customers calling both from the US and Canada. They did a ton of porting end engine building.

I had already purchased my B&W motor before I learned of RT.

Fox_Five_Oh 01-01-2009 10:18 AM

Thanks rick!

I can't wait for summer to come [and pass] because I'll finally have a 'stang in my garage xD

FEARMONT 01-01-2009 02:33 PM

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Try Paul at Paul Silva Perfomance. He has over 20 years of building SBF only and can build motors for 6 second to street applications. Him and his brother Joe (Da Silva Racing) were formerly J & P Perfomance who were recognized for being one of the top ten Mustang shops by MMFF. Rolling Thunder deals more in Chevy stuff...
416-285-7285

Fox_Five_Oh 01-01-2009 10:58 PM

My cousin is a customer of PSP's.

I'm fairly certain that he is very happy with the work.

he races in OSCA street heat at TMP in the 10.90 index and finished 2nd last year.

Gonzo 01-04-2009 03:56 PM

Thanks for all the info, I don't mind speding the money on an engine, but I want a quality piece. I'm going to try a heavier oil and do some more research on an engine.

The biggest question I have is what will 300hp feel like compared to a stock engine? Is it enough? Is it worth going to 400hp if I don't race the car? I don't want to lose the back end when driving.

floater 01-04-2009 04:20 PM

Rolling blunderz lol the only rep is blowing motors and screwing people, b&w are good for stock rebuilds for a taxi which is 99% of there work. If you want it right call paul

2tone 01-04-2009 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by floater (Post 101596)
Rolling blunderz lol the only rep is blowing motors and screwing people, b&w are good for stock rebuilds for a taxi which is 99% of there work. If you want it right call paul

LMAO..

There is absolutely no credibility from someone who just signs up, talks about other shops and pumps another... I mean 5 posts??

What work did Paul do for you? Lets see some pics?

Maybe he installed a set of heads for you, wowser!!! Only paul could do that.

stangman233 01-04-2009 07:15 PM

oil press
 
[QUOTE=rickp;101177]


[Your oil pressure should atleast be floating around to some degree. 0 oil pressure is not good for long durations of time.

Try running 20/50.]

it is true , you should have some reading...........but before ripping out the engine , take a reading with an oil pressure gauge attached to the engine,
don't count on the gauge in the car ........20/50 oil is too thick to run on a 5L
engine..........plus you usually hear the valves rattling if no oil is heading up there.....plus the enine would't turn by hand .try getting the sludge out of the engine , had an explorer with the same prob , low oil press, poured 2 bottles of engine flush in it and changed the oil each time.......simouteniously,
got better oil press, a few passage ways were plugged and little oil reaching the top.......on a new engine........get a 5.4L from an f150 and shove it in.you will be flying literally..........

Stang Illusions 5.0L 01-04-2009 07:25 PM

Hope it turns out for the best.

FEARMONT 01-04-2009 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rickp (Post 101603)
LMAO..

There is absolutely no credibility from someone who just signs up, talks about other shops and pumps another... I mean 5 posts??

What work did Paul do for you? Lets see some pics?

Maybe he installed a set of heads for you, wowser!!! Only paul could do that.

Rolling Thunder is okay if you're building a Chevy motor but not for a Ford. They have several customers racing in the OSCA that are leaders of the pack in EZ street. Heard some other not so reputable things about them from several customers but every shop has some skeletons.
Beatty & Woods yeah if you want a rebuild for your taxi then yeah their okay. I had a friend go there to save a few bucks over a PSP rebuild only to find out he might as well have had onion rings in there for piston rings (Insert the smell and site of blow by here) You know what though you get what you pay for.
For me I'm 5 minutes from PSP and he has never steered me wrong and never ripped me off. He may be old school to some but he is honest sometimes too honest.

Gonzo 01-04-2009 08:25 PM

I was thinking of trying the engine flush, but a mechanic said it would eat the gaskets in the engine and he didn't recommend it. If I am looking at replacing the engine anyways, it can't hurt.

stangman233 01-05-2009 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by FEARMONT (Post 101622)
Rolling Thunder is okay if you're building a Chevy motor but not for a Ford. They have several customers racing in the OSCA that are leaders of the pack in EZ street. Heard some other not so reputable things about them from several customers but every shop has some skeletons.
Beatty & Woods yeah if you want a rebuild for your taxi then yeah their okay. I had a friend go there to save a few bucks over a PSP rebuild only to find out he might as well have had onion rings in there for piston rings (Insert the smell and site of blow by here) You know what though you get what you pay for.
For me I'm 5 minutes from PSP and he has never steered me wrong and never ripped me off. He may be old school to some but he is honest sometimes too honest.

yo fag, are you a licenced tech?????well i am so fo off mother fucker before you see what i can do.

FEARMONT 01-05-2009 10:24 PM

Wtf?
 

Originally Posted by stangman233 (Post 101723)
yo fag, are you a licenced tech?????well i am so fo off mother fucker before you see what i can do.


Hey there where do get off calling me out I never posted about your advice? Show me in my post where I state stangman233 knows so don't follow his advice? Answer: NO WHERE


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