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OVERKILL 03-06-2006 05:29 PM

The TPS "tweak" myth
 
This has been discussed MANY MANY times on a variety of forums and there have been people "in the know" (IE, people who work for SCT, Ford, designers of the TWEECER....etc) who have tried to get the message across that this is nothing more than a myth, yet it continues to propagate across message boards "set your TPS to .98" and the like.

This post is designed to dispell that myth and perhaps give an idea of why the myth exists to begin with.

Many years ago, the entire idea of "modifying" what was going on in the ECM was a very new thing, people were much more accustomed to working on Carbureted cars and knowledge of Computer-Controlled Fuel Injection systems was very limited.

Many people would gain a limited understanding of how part of the system (or its feeback devices, IE, sensors) functioned and would often design "performance" modifications around this limited understanding. This is how I think this entire myth came to be.

A TPS is a potentiometer, basically, its a variable resistance device. The ECM views a variety of feedback sensors in order to make adjustments on how the car runs and responds. The TPS simply tells the ECM where the throttle blade is in relation to where it was when closed. Obviously, the further open the blade is, the more timing the ECM will throw at the engine (over base) and the more fuel it will provide. Many people think that "tweaking" the TPS will cause the ECM to percieve that the blade is further open than it actually is, thus "seeing" WOT sooner as well as reach full advance sooner as well. This is a great theory, but unfortunately, its completely false.

When you turn your key on, the ECM quickly probes all the sensors in the system and then uses some of those values as "base" reference values. So, if you set your TPS voltage to .98 like people recommend, the ECM views that as closed and any value higher than that is relative to .98. BUT, if the TPS is at .52, THAT value is used as the closed value and any value higher than that is relative to .52, the advance curve and fuel curve ARE THE SAME and are relative to base in either instance. WOT is percieved at ~3.8 volts, this typically happens at 3/4 throttle, not actual WOT, so matting the pedal is matting the pedal, no matter what your "base" voltage for the TPS is.

Hopefully, people will find this information helpful. There is a lot of cool, factual information floating around about finding easy/cheap performance out of these cars, unfortunately, this "mod" isn't one of them.

TonyDee 03-06-2006 06:32 PM

Correct, Always was amazed how this one got around.

Matt94GT 03-06-2006 07:56 PM

I found setting my tps then resetting my computer helped big time with my hanging idle.

OVERKILL 03-06-2006 08:09 PM

You probably just have a baffed TPS then. They can develop flat spots on them which will give out wacky readings.

89LXStang 03-11-2006 07:36 PM

This kind of info is always helpful............... :tup

OVERKILL 03-11-2006 10:43 PM

Well, that's what I'm hoping for! There are lots of REAL performance mods for the venerable 302, this unfortunately, isn't one of them.

Crazirich 03-15-2006 11:27 AM

I would think if the TPS is made for "tweaking" or making adjustments on it would have oval mounting holes on it when it doesn't......

OVERKILL 03-15-2006 12:16 PM

Very true :) No, Professional Products catered to this myth by releasing their BBK rip-off TB's with adjustable TPS's..........!!!!!!

Dragynfly 03-17-2006 08:18 AM

Awesome thread, great to hear someone finally clear this up, I've been wondering for years if there was any truth to it.

1Fine89 03-26-2006 02:23 AM


Originally Posted by OVERKILL
When you turn your key on, the ECM quickly probes all the sensors in the system and then uses some of those values as "base" reference values. So, if you set your TPS voltage to .98 like people recommend, the ECM views that as closed and any value higher than that is relative to .98. BUT, if the TPS is at .52, THAT value is used as the closed value and any value higher than that is relative to .52, the advance curve and fuel curve ARE THE SAME and are relative to base in either instance.

Having heard everyone and their uncle always tell me to "set my TPS voltage", I have to admit I'm a little skeptical about this. Even so, it makes sense that the ECM would use whatever "X" voltages the sensors are sending as a "base" value and go from there.

If that is so, it leads me to ask: what would happen if I were to have my foot on the gas when the ECM comes on? What if the pedal's at part throttle? What about to the floor? Would the values be completely out of whack until I turn the car off, then on again? How would the car handle acceleration?

Now I can't field-test this question yet myself (since my car is still sitting in storage), but would love to hear what anyone else has to say.

Any guinea pigs willing to try this out, in the meantime? :wiggle:


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