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SNAKEBITE 03-07-2012 05:31 PM

Brakes
 
Why are Brembo's all that and a bag of chips? If you had to go out and buy a set how much would it cost? Are they that much better than the stockers on the Pony?

DublDee 03-07-2012 07:25 PM

Uhhh Yeah comparing stock brakes to Brembo's is like comparing the the 4.6 to the new Coyote 5.0. imo.

def67 03-07-2012 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by DublDee (Post 173210)
Uhhh Yeah comparing stock brakes to Brembo's is like comparing the the 4.6 to the new Coyote 5.0. imo.

So like 13.4 inches compared to 14? Brembos are bigger and slotted for more cooling. How many 4.6 lose cylinder #8 after a tune? How many blow there trany under the advertised HP?

DublDee 03-08-2012 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by def67 (Post 173234)
So like 13.4 inches compared to 14? Brembos are bigger and slotted for more cooling. How many 4.6 lose cylinder #8 after a tune? How many blow there trany under the advertised HP?

Touchy touchy. Sorry dude, I'm just stating my opinion. I've had both the 4.6 and factory brakes, and the new 5.0 with the Brembo pack, and I'm only going by experience, so what do I know:LOL:

DublDee 03-08-2012 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by def67 (Post 173234)
So like 13.4 inches compared to 14? Brembos are bigger and slotted for more cooling. How many 4.6 lose cylinder #8 after a tune? How many blow there trany under the advertised HP?

Whats up with the #8 cyl blowing??? Never heard of that one yet. As for the tranny, sorry man, I've seen several of the old tranny's on the 05-10 blow. I don't think tranny's were ever Fords forte. Anyway, I'm not putting your car down, or any other 4.6, just making a comparison. Sorry!

ChadStang 03-08-2012 08:49 AM

^ there has been engine issues with some of the 5.0 and aftermarket tunes. Ford sent us a bulletin about it.

herbz 03-08-2012 08:55 AM

They are definitely better, and in the world of brakes that just means bigger and better cooled. Like anything though I think most of the price is just you paying for the Brembo name.

Ray Spencer 03-08-2012 09:34 AM

I must admit that I changed from stock to the Powerslot rotors for the slotted rotor look and the advertised better cooling system.

fast Ed 03-08-2012 09:37 AM

Doesn't have to be Brembos, but a near 4,000 lb. car with 12 or 13" rotors and dual-piston calipers isn't going to cut it for slowing down from higher speeds ... physics, the silent killer. Rotors need a certain amount of mass to be able to shed the heat that builds up, and the basic GT brakes won't do it for 500+ hp. The 14" rotors and 4-piston Brembos that come on the GT-500, Boss 302, and Track Pak GT are a good step up at a reasonable price. To swap those on to any other S197 car is about $1200 worth of parts, a good deal for premium brakes.

As an added note, the 2013 GT-500 with 650 hp is moving up to 6-piston Brembo calipers, with larger rotors, 15" I believe.


cheers
Ed

def67 03-08-2012 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by DublDee (Post 173252)
Touchy touchy. Sorry dude, I'm just stating my opinion. I've had both the 4.6 and factory brakes, and the new 5.0 with the Brembo pack, and I'm only going by experience, so what do I know:LOL:

Sorry, just jealous I guess, LOL



Originally Posted by DublDee (Post 173253)
Whats up with the #8 cyl blowing??? Never heard of that one yet. As for the tranny, sorry man, I've seen several of the old tranny's on the 05-10 blow. I don't think tranny's were ever Fords forte. Anyway, I'm not putting your car down, or any other 4.6, just making a comparison. Sorry!

I'm actually suprised you havnt heard about this with all the posting and researching that you seem to do. But ya, a bunch of the first tunes that bama and some others came out with were blowing the #8 cylander for some reason or other, sounds like at least bama has it figured.

digger56 03-08-2012 10:53 AM

hmmmmm so I'am risking to blow a piston with a tune??Is that a real issue??Iam about ready to buy a tuner but hey if it means engine trouble,I just wont pull the trigger...

SNAKEBITE 03-08-2012 03:36 PM

Hey Def67 I think he was just comparing the motors not the whole car lol

def67 03-08-2012 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by digger56 (Post 173265)
hmmmmm so I'am risking to blow a piston with a tune??Is that a real issue??Iam about ready to buy a tuner but hey if it means engine trouble,I just wont pull the trigger...

Who are you looking to get the tuner from, AM actually has a #8 cylinder warranty on there tunes.

Heres a thread from another forum about it. I didnt read the whole thing.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...lure-tune.html

def67 03-08-2012 06:09 PM

Sorry not the best thread out there.......
Heres what AM Chris Ross had to say

The problems, while serious, are so far and few that it's not a reason to panic. It's good for everyone to be aware of the risks, but that's it. We've tuned thousands of 2011 Mustangs here at Bama, and we've only heard of a two cases, where luckily the warranty claim was accepted, both times. I've seen maybe 5 or 6 others from a few different companies. That's a small amount for the huge amount of Mustangs running custom tunes.

The buzz comes from every forum having 5 or 6 threads about the same thing. It looks like there's a lot more problems than their really is.

Use good quality fuel at all times, and we've got you covered from there. All Bama tunes being distributed have taken every safety precaution possible from within the tune. Knock sensors are fully functional and the tunes are commanding a safe air/fuel ratio. There are an overwhelming amount of positive threads and dyno results out there - check those out!

So I wouldnt worry too much about it.

DublDee 03-08-2012 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by def67 (Post 173263)
Sorry, just jealous I guess, LOL




I'm actually suprised you havnt heard about this with all the posting and researching that you seem to do. But ya, a bunch of the first tunes that bama and some others came out with were blowing the #8 cylander for some reason or other, sounds like at least bama has it figured.

Holy crap.....I'm more surprised than you that I haven't heard about this, because I did a ton of research on the Coyote engine before buying mine. I hate to say it but it's stuff like this that makes people switch to other brands. I am VERY pissed to say the VERY least. Next post might just be in the For Sale section:mad::mad::mad::mad:

def67 03-08-2012 08:12 PM

Hmm, sorry I brought it up, I'd hate too see you sell the grabber. I wouldnt worry about it too much though. Like that AM guy said, 6 or seven cars out of thousands that they have tuned is well under 1%. I'm scared to even tune my 4.6, cause I really dont know how my dealer is as far as tunes/ aftermarket stuff go.

ChadStang 03-08-2012 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by DublDee (Post 173337)
Holy crap.....I'm more surprised than you that I haven't heard about this, because I did a ton of research on the Coyote engine before buying mine. I hate to say it but it's stuff like this that makes people switch to other brands. I am VERY pissed to say the VERY least. Next post might just be in the For Sale section:mad::mad::mad::mad:

That's kinda harsh isn't it. Switch brands because of aftermarket tuner issues?

ChadStang 03-08-2012 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by digger56 (Post 173265)
hmmmmm so I'am risking to blow a piston with a tune??Is that a real issue??Iam about ready to buy a tuner but hey if it means engine trouble,I just wont pull the trigger...

You should be fine. 4.6 3v tunes have been fine from everything I've seen.

def67 03-08-2012 08:57 PM

^^ Oops I didnt even look at what car he's got. LOL

DublDee 03-08-2012 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by ChadStang (Post 173350)
That's kinda harsh isn't it. Switch brands because of aftermarket tuner issues?

Yes it's harsh, and hopefully it's just the frustration coming out, and hopefully I'll be over it tomorrow. Honestly if I knew that I couldn't tune it, I doubt that I would have bought it in the first place! But really why can't Ford just step up to the G'Damn plate for a change, and look after this transmission problem? That problem has nothing to do with the aftermarket.:banghead:

ChadStang 03-08-2012 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by DublDee (Post 173357)
Yes it's harsh, and hopefully it's just the frustration coming out, and hopefully I'll be over it tomorrow. Honestly if I knew that I couldn't tune it, I doubt that I would have bought it in the first place! But really why can't Ford just step up to the G'Damn plate for a change, and look after this transmission problem? That problem has nothing to do with the aftermarket.:banghead:

My opinion is you can't blame the manufacturer for aftermarket issues and if there are issues, the aftermarket guys should work it out and get it right. As far as the trans goes I agree but I personally have sold 5 of these cars with 0 issues. When people have problems they tend to plaster them all over the internet. There are way more cars without the issue than with. We also don't know how the problem cars have been driven.

DublDee 03-08-2012 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by ChadStang (Post 173359)
My opinion is you can't blame the manufacturer for aftermarket issues and if there are issues, the aftermarket guys should work it out and get it right. As far as the trans goes I agree but I personally have sold 5 of these cars with 0 issues. When people have problems they tend to plaster them all over the internet. There are way more cars without the issue than with. We also don't know how the problem cars have been driven.

I really hope you're right. I am literally getting a sick feeling in my stomach over all this. I just need to calm down, and wait until I get her out for the year, and see if any issues arise. In case the tranny issue does appear, are there any GOOD aftermarket tranny's out there for the 5.0?

ChadStang 03-08-2012 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by DublDee (Post 173360)
I really hope you're right. I am literally getting a sick feeling in my stomach over all this. I just need to calm down, and wait until I get her out for the year, and see if any issues arise. In case the tranny issue does appear, are there any GOOD aftermarket tranny's out there for the 5.0?

You've got 5 years of warranty on it. They will sort it out by then and if not the aftermarket will be all over it.

SNAKEBITE 03-08-2012 10:18 PM

D you will be fine, take a deep breath and relax lol


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