winter or all season?
 

So I have a little dilemma. I've bought a new 2014 base and since it is coming from a different dealer than my local Ford dealer outsourced they claim they have put snow tires on the base 17''s.
This means they are charging another $800 for the 1 set of winter tires and 1 set of all seasons but only 1 set of rim.
Considering winter is almost done I really don't want 2 sets of tire however this is my first RWD
I've suggested maybe that I will take the winters and my dealer can keep the all seasons. Is this a good idea as long as I buy a new wheel package for summer?
What do you guys think?

That's a tough one, if you are for sure getting a tire package for the summer then I'd just get the winter tires. I take it this is going to be a year round car for you?

The plan is to get some summer rims but can't budget to much after picking this up...wifey is already yapping lol

I just don't wanna get stuck with winter tires and not be able to find some gently used rims and tires.

Yes this will be all year vehicle.

How can I sell it to the wife lol

If your going to drive it year round I'd do the deal and get the extra winter tires then, once you've burned through the all seasons then order a wheel and tire package.

I thought about that too but won't it cost more money to switch put the tires twice a year?

If I have 2 sets on and off. .no need to go to a shop :D

Now you might understand why I have a dilemma LOL

Suck it up and get four steel wheels for the winters, you'll get that money back in no time with not having to pay to mount and dismount. I'm trying to figure out how they could just add the new tires on and then bill you for it without your consent. They should put the all seasons on and eat the cost of the winters keep them.

I guess it's a case of "You pay me now or you can pay me later" but you will pay. Get the winters and look on Kijiji for a nice set of rims and tires that will suit your budget. Why is it the older gen (baby boomers) has to do all the thinking for the younger gen (I don't even know what they call them these days :dunno )? Maybe someone can enlighten me? :?

They are buying it from a different dealer and that dealer will not sell it to this local one unless they buy the winters with it. They have given me an amazing price for a base model + 4 oil changes + free tints on the mustang and front windows on my 2013 Explorer ...its the last NEW manual in Ontario and I dont wanna loose it.


I hear what your saying Autout and I think we are referred to as generation X :)


so now the question becomes does anyone have 18' or 19' black rims they wanna sell? LOL

Gotta call BS on that one. You should get what YOU want, not what THEY want you to have. Don't get hung up by this "last new manual in Ontario", they're using that to hang you out to dry. If they're doing a dealer trade, they can set the ground rules between the dealers, and this thing about not selling without the winter tires is BS. See how they feel if you tell them it's a deal breaker, and you'll walk if they try to stick you with the winters. Seriously, there's only like a million Mustangs out there. Personally, like Autonut said, I'd go with the winters and get a separate set of wheels, but the whole "we won't sell to you unless you take the winters" stinks.

And that doesn't work, AP and I will go in there and tag team them for you. :rockwoot:rockon:

do you think its a good idea to just take the snow tires with the rims as a straight trade for the pirelli all seasons or should i stick with the all seasons and make them keep the winters?
the reason im so torn on this is because this is my first RWD and from what ive been reading I should be getting winters (this will also be my first winter tires)

thanks again for all the great advice team

Like Autonut already stated, you need 2 sets of wheels and tires if you are going to drive that car in the winter.

If this is your first RWD you will see real quick what its like to handle one of these in a few cm of snow...let alone without winter tires on.

I've been stuck in the middle of a flat parking lot before.

How much of a budget do you have to spend?

I got treed, but what I say still applies.

^^^ I also call BS on the dealer forcing you to take the snowtires. I think they may have already done this so they don't want to lose any money swapping them back.
Now I think it's good sense to have these tires on your car, and to get some nice rims that you like that fit your Mustang for the Spring/Summer/Fall seasons.
There are plenty of rims out there and many Mustang owners swap their factory rims out and put them up for sale. This is prevalent in the US as there are so many more Mustang owners by population so the prices they ask are really reasonable (shipping will offset this though, but there are many ways to counter that)
What size are your rim and tires? If you want to use your all seasons you'll need to shop that size for your new rims. Are the snow tires good quality?
When I look up the base wheels it indicates silver rims in 17". Are you sure Ford isn't supplying you with the snow tires on steel rims as a second set?
Whatever you do don't panic, you're the boss. You have the money that they want and they have the product that needs to meet your standards.

Boy, you're sure stuck on choosing one or the other. You don't NEED winter tires, but if you can afford it, it's a good way to go. All season's are just that, all season. Good for winter, but not great. Winter tires are a softer compound to grip the ice better, and if you run them all year round, you'll scrub all the good out of them on dry asphalt eight months out of the year. Sounds like your best bet is to go with all seasons until you can afford, or choose, to get winters. Back in the day, we never had winter tires, I can remember driving rear wheel drive in the winter on bald bias ply tires. You kids with your fancy all season radials got it good. lol Hey Autonut, do we get our own entrance music for when we enter the dealership??

The factory rims are silver and 17's (very basic)

im gonna talk to my dealer soon and see what he says....

Ive located a set of 18 black GT rims that have about 3K kms on it for about $700...that would meet my needs and hence i would take the winter tires and rim pkg.

LOL I guess the world is a better place thanks to winter tires Apocalypse Pony ;)

I have a set of stock 18's from my car for sale cheep.

as do I...in the for sale section.

darn you guys are not in Ontario....
shipping would probably be horrible right?

Don't you know it. :rockwoot:rockon: They will get a little bit of this no: and a lot of this fingers:

Update:
I went with the stock rims on winter tires and I've found some wheels on kijiji.
I wanted to gear from you guys if I went with 255/40 on 20's instead of 245 will that be a problem?


Also has anyone heard of RTX rims or MSR? I found a pair of boss but the guy is asking too much

Thanks again guys

How wide are the rims. That will determine how wide a tire you can put on them.

If they already have 245 on them then 255 should be ok. You have to adjust your aspect ratio to keep the overall diameter correct or else you car can end up looking goofy. And your speedo will be off

So the guy I'm buying from has 255/40R20 on no name tires on TX black rims for asking $800 as opposed to buying a set on 245/40R20
So it won't rub up on the inner wall?

No it won't rub, as long as the back spacing and offset are correct. But they will be taller. You should be putting 255/35/20 to compensate. Look up the diameter of both of those tires and compare the difference


.....I just realized you are going narrower .... So the tires you want to put on will be shorter not taller. Sorry bout that.

I will be honest, I'm a little drunk right now, however, 255/40R20 is a tire size not a rim size. So I don't understand how he has 255/40R20 on no name tires?

I think what he was trying to say is this: The guy has no name tires 255/40R20 on TX black rims. I wish I was there with you, so I could be a little drunk as well. :drunk: :cheers: But I'm at work and they don't let us drink on the job. :nospaz: But we can eat all the cereal we want. :tup

Glad that worked out, found some extra cash and got the wife to stop yapping then? Did the dealer confess to trying to stick it to you with he second set of tires, or did you threaten to walk on the last new manual in Ontario? Told you having to buy the second set was BS. lol

thank you again for all your insight guys and Apocalypse the dealer never acknowledged they were trying to stick me with both sets but overall everything worked out :)

last question on this topic i promise:
turns out the rims are MSR brand size 255/55/20 on Nankang tires....
the other is RTX brand size 245/35/20 on no name tires....

will the 20 inches and fatter rubber hit the inner wall or am i still safe?
I dont wanna buy them only to realize i am screwed :(

I want the MSR as they are 10 spoke rims (single lines) as opposed to the RTX which are also 10 spoke (dual like BBS style rims)

please let me know what you guys think

I know guys with 275 rubber all the way around in 10 inch rims.

I think you are fine.... Would be nice to know your rim width offset and backspacing.

remember these are 20's

The offset and spacing I have no idea about as I am new to the rim aftermarket. Supposing im going with the same set up that my 17's are on will I be ok?

Yes I know they are 20 inch diameter.... I'm taking about rim width.

Ok. You need to find out these 3 things about those rims

Width
Offset
Backspacing

Also to differentiate between tires and rims:
Tires are round black things; come in sizes indicated like P255/55/ZR20
Explained very well here: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...150227194322:s

Wheels ("rims" colloquialism) are what the tires are mounted on and these wheels with tires are attached to the hub or spindle.

Hope this helps you sort out that portion.

interesting he isnt responding back to the above 3 things....maybe he thinks im an idiot LOL

here is a link to the actual rim if it helps:
MSR Wheels 042 Super Finish Black Wheels | 4WheelOnline.com

it looks like +40 mm and BS 5.76 according to the drop down at the bottom

Those wheels are only 7.5 inches wide. I'd want at least an 8 inch wide rim so you can put a 235 wide tire or wider on them. Does that linked ad say those will fit a mustang?

Nothing screams quality and confidence more than "Nankang" and "No Name". :wink:

no but according to the guy they will...it has a 5 X 114 pattern

the other RTX are 245/35/20 with a + 38 and a 9.5 BS
these were on a subaru and he is 100% sure they will fit on a my car

Hey, that's like the dealership that was 100% sure they had they last manual in Ontario ! Karma dude....Kar-ma. :D