going from carb'd 5.0 to fuel inj. 5.0
 

ok, bought car with a carb'd 302, originally a 4 cyl. emissions are a prob, so...
how big a deal is it to put a fuel injected engine, if bought complete into this car? stand alone, or computers to wire into existing dash etc. its a 93, 5 speed. i have a 351w carb"d i'm also considering. any thoughts, ?

If you can get a complete harness from a donour car, it's not too bad to do. Stu (VirgilHilts) and I did an EFI conversion on my 68 Cougar using a 1990 Mustang harness. There are only a few circuits that actually need to be connected to the vehicle itself. A bit of google searching will likely come up with some more details.


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Ed N.

sounds complicated so good luck

You might like the big Windsor.

yeah, thats the most likely route i'll take. i've got the engine (400 ish HP), the intake, conversion oil pan, just need a flywheel, and headers. should be simple swap from any research i've started to do.

Which headers & trans are you thinkin about ?

5 speed i have now, most headers i've seen are hooker or headman long tubes, but any ideas would be great

I have BBK long tubes with a tubular K-member, lots of room, same with the Mac's which are a few pounds heavier. Be gentle on that T-5.

what would be a better 5 speed, while i have it out, to replace it with?

is Kooks a crazy idea re headers

anything is good, kooks, bbk, headman, hooker, etc. long tube, short, whatever

They are great headers but there are much cheaper alternatives that flow just as good.

^^^on the pricing I have heard they are pricey i.e. 1100.00 ++++

I may be new but from what I have seen wouldn't it be easier staying with a carb setup

^^^more than likely but to me the modern setup has it advantages

I agree with ya snakebite but its way less costly to tune a carbed setup. And more people can do that as opposed to a computer tune

emissions are why i'm considering fuel inj. the 5.0 i have is a bit tired, thats half the reason for emission probs. the 351w i have will be clean as a whistle, so i think thats what i'll go with. keeps the engine bay nice and clean and wide open without all the hoses, tubes, wires etc. of an injected setup.thanks for all the input. if anyone has any parts for sale, or their knowledge to throw in, let me know.

You chose wisely, Where abouts in colbourgh are you from. I have family that lives on telephone rd

buy my Liberty-prepped TKO600. I'll even through in a parachute.....lmfao....

anyone up for an argument?

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^^i'm just off the 401, burnham exit.near the hospital

dont you wanna make sure all the gears work before I deliver it? 3300 is alot to spend without testing it out.......

Sorry dude,this is the post I was replying to.sounds like a nice trans tho.
My mistake

Well that's cool

Yes is does cost less, but saying more people can do it, I dunno, lots of people can "tune carbs" but there isn't as many as you think that actually know what they are doing IMHO. Goes for computer tuning, lots say they can, but.....

Ok well why is it that all dirt modified's except sprint cars are carb'd. Who tunes their carbs then if there isnt any body who knows what they are doing. I may know of 3-5 computer tuners within a 5 hour driving distance. Are you telling me thta there are as few number of carb tuners out there. I may not "know it all" but I have been around and if I were to have to start from scratch again I would be going carb hands down IMHO

Oh I know, there are lots of computer tuners around, I have access to a lot also, but in my past experience, I have found that there are good tuners which will improve things, then there are great tuners who will fine tune the important stuff. Carb guys are the same thing, a lot of guys can make things work, but then there are some who excel and do the fine things right. As far as why isn't there more fuelies in race, my personal opinion would be that carb systems are simple and easier to tune, so it is the greater population. I didn't say there is no one who can tune carbs, or computers either, what I am saying is that lots of guys think they are doing great, and they are really, but then the guys who excel at it are fewer in number than one thinks. Hope this explains myself more.

All I know of for computer tuners are about 5 places that wont eff your car up, all I am saying is there are 10 times as many good carb tuners as to the computer tuners. Go to your local dirt racing track as a example and I bet you will find at least 20 guys on those pitts that can properly tune that carb, I go to cayuga as a example and there may be 1 guy who can properly tune my computer. I understand what you are saying and I do understand the benifits of fuel injection but the more practical tried and tested of the two is a carb hands down

I am willing to bet that as times goes on less and less guys will be able to do the carb properly as fuelies become all the rage which is pretty much the case now. I guess it's sort of like the VHS vs DVD's.

A few years back, I had a 1969 Dodge Dart Swinger 340, which had a 6-pack carb setup, and when it came time to get the carbs set, there was only one old guy at Dodge City in Saskatoon, that could get it right, but when he was done with it, man that car was scary quick! I really miss that car, even though it's not a Mustang.

My thoughts exactly explained, there are lots of guys that can tune em, but there are a hell of a lot fewer that can fine tune em.

X2 on the thinking as well. 30 years ago there would have been many times the guys that could do the job right, now they are retired or dead

I think we are just a bit confused with this topic (and snakebite aint helping either) A carb is way more complex than fuel injection! Anyone can tune efi with the right program. There is may be a handfull of good carb tuners in all the states...95% of all stock car racers don't touch there carbs they are farmed out. I think it was 1986 or so that carbs were moth balled on production vehicles, you would think that 25 years should have been enough time to change every form of motorsports over......Just now nascar is going to try efi next year, not for performance but to make the sport cleaner!? Pro Stock is the most purest form of heads up racing..... all carbs, not because there faster because it takes skill and hard work and years of trial and error to get you combo to compete hence why the same racers have been in it so long. A change over to efi and anyone that can use a lap top is going to compete. Like everything else in the world any human involvement is replaced with technology. So instead of asking whats better, ask yourself .....am I afraid to run a carb because I don't know how it works? because in a drag race application its cheaper and lighter and makes more peak hp............. But the easy way is efi and while your at it put in a glide with a brake and air shifter, add a power adder so your fast, there done.....aw wait is there a computor program that will guarantee a perfect light?? :rolleyes:

Very well put I must say, but I will add that not anyone that can use a laptop can tune, cuz this guy right here can't. Haha However there are a lot of tuners that can't fine tune cars, they take the safe routes. I think good computer tuners are few and far betwee also, a lot are just third party companies selling pre-made tunes from the big guys. But I do agree with you, I see the reason (I can't believe I am agreeing with you) and might add that yourself is prob included pretty close to that handfull of guys. (S*^t, did I say that too, now your gonna be on a high horse forever.)

Im refering to the high end efi systems not the one where you download a tune than load it in to the car. Thats not tuning thats guessing:wiggle: And Im not a carb tuner either I mean guys that can flow them and set them up for nascar /nhra/ihra and so on. A proper efi system you are able to change everything on your laptop at the track. Every cylinder can be tuned seperately anyone can run this system there is censors everywhere...if you were to run a carb on the same motor and have the same performance your name would have to be Warren Johnson(pro stock racer)

Im refering to the high end efi systems not the one where you download a tune than load it in to the car. Thats not tuning thats guessing:wiggle: And Im not a carb tuner either I mean guys that can flow them and set them up for nascar /nhra/ihra and so on. A proper efi system you are able to change everything on your laptop at the track. Every cylinder can be tuned seperately anyone can run this system there is censors everywhere...if you were to run a carb on the same motor and have the same performance your name would have to be Warren Johnson(pro stock racer)

I see grasshopper, well I was refering to the average guy who gets his car tuned whether it be a 13 second factory car or a 9.93 type of guy:LOL:, tuners of any kind come in a wide array of calibers.

And thats why in this case the carb has a huge advantage as far as performance....I no what you mean it was hard to find a honest good guy that new his stuff and had the right tune for your car....but thats just a location problem if you lived in michigan how easy would it be? you never had the option to take your car to the shop and dyno it and develope a tune. How much power was still there?

Exactly, but then again, look at the issues I had in Michigan. I still wish I would have went carb.

I know, he doesn't need anymore to feed his pride eh, lol.