Gforce chips
09-06-2011, 01:48 PM
#3
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Calgary, AB
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Those chips are crap! They do absolutly nothing in the way of performance and could harm your car. Save your cash and do it the right way by purchasing a flash programer such as Diablo, SuperChip or SCT...ect and buy tunes from reputable shops such as American Muscle, Brenspeed...ect or have the car professionally tuned on a dyno! I don't know how these companies get away or even survive by selling that crap. I supose there are suckers out there every day!!! Good on you for asking before purchasing. Remember the is never a stupid question, only stupidity if you do not ask...lol
Here is a little background on what these do and why it is crap I found on another forum:
If this is a device which plugs in line with the air mass flow sensor, then it is basically a resistor to trick the ECU into changing the air-fuel ratio they only claim increased smoothness, economy and small power gains, not what is shown above.
Generally, they add a resistor to make the ECU think that the temperature is cooler, so the air is more dense, so more fuel is added. This is to combat the supposed idea that modern engines with leaner mixtures do not run as smoothly and have poor throttle response. With a closed loop, the ECU will correct at steady state, but when accelerating in open loop mode, the mixture will be richer. Like an accelerator pump in a Weber carb. Many state they add 6% to 8% more fuel than standard during acceleration.
Advantages? People report better running, but it could be the placebo effect at work. More power is unlikely.
Disadvantages? Messing up the emissions control is likely. The result will be non linear, since the mass flow sensor is non linear, so the % fuel added will vary with ambient temperature. This could make the mixture much richer in extreme temperatures, which is not very desirable. Some have a thermistor to compensate for ambient, but unless this is remotely mounted in clean fresh air, it is hardly going to be accurate.
PS: Put it this way...YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF INSTALLING A FLUX CAPASITOR AND KEEP IT UNDER 88!!!!
Kaiso
Here is a little background on what these do and why it is crap I found on another forum:
If this is a device which plugs in line with the air mass flow sensor, then it is basically a resistor to trick the ECU into changing the air-fuel ratio they only claim increased smoothness, economy and small power gains, not what is shown above.
Generally, they add a resistor to make the ECU think that the temperature is cooler, so the air is more dense, so more fuel is added. This is to combat the supposed idea that modern engines with leaner mixtures do not run as smoothly and have poor throttle response. With a closed loop, the ECU will correct at steady state, but when accelerating in open loop mode, the mixture will be richer. Like an accelerator pump in a Weber carb. Many state they add 6% to 8% more fuel than standard during acceleration.
Advantages? People report better running, but it could be the placebo effect at work. More power is unlikely.
Disadvantages? Messing up the emissions control is likely. The result will be non linear, since the mass flow sensor is non linear, so the % fuel added will vary with ambient temperature. This could make the mixture much richer in extreme temperatures, which is not very desirable. Some have a thermistor to compensate for ambient, but unless this is remotely mounted in clean fresh air, it is hardly going to be accurate.
PS: Put it this way...YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF INSTALLING A FLUX CAPASITOR AND KEEP IT UNDER 88!!!!
Kaiso
Last edited by Kaisoboy; 09-06-2011 at 02:02 PM.
09-07-2011, 01:58 PM
#6
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 465
Like I said. If you really want to see bang for your buck improvement, get yourself a flash tune and some tunes and you will be very happy. I personally have the SCT tuner, C&L intake and Bamma 87 performance, 91 performance and 91 race tune combo from American Muscle. Yeah it cost me 800 CAD but well worth the moola and AM will update your tunes to accomondate any new power mod.
Cheers
Cheers
09-07-2011, 04:21 PM
#8
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Nanaimo BC
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Hey Kaiso:
I like your hood scoop where did you get? I want to get a hood scoop for my Mustang but a bit wider something like the Couger Elimenator I use to have a 71 Couger clown Elimenater with 351 Cobra engine 4 spd very nice and fast too lol.,
Thanks, Whitelion
I like your hood scoop where did you get? I want to get a hood scoop for my Mustang but a bit wider something like the Couger Elimenator I use to have a 71 Couger clown Elimenater with 351 Cobra engine 4 spd very nice and fast too lol.,
Thanks, Whitelion
Last edited by Whitelion95GT; 09-07-2011 at 04:34 PM.
09-11-2011, 12:30 AM
#10
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Slave Lake, AB
Posts: 6,871
Those chips are crap! They do absolutly nothing in the way of performance and could harm your car. Save your cash and do it the right way by purchasing a flash programer such as Diablo, SuperChip or SCT...ect and buy tunes from reputable shops such as American Muscle, Brenspeed...ect or have the car professionally tuned on a dyno! I don't know how these companies get away or even survive by selling that crap. I supose there are suckers out there every day!!! Good on you for asking before purchasing. Remember the is never a stupid question, only stupidity if you do not ask...lol
Here is a little background on what these do and why it is crap I found on another forum:
If this is a device which plugs in line with the air mass flow sensor, then it is basically a resistor to trick the ECU into changing the air-fuel ratio they only claim increased smoothness, economy and small power gains, not what is shown above.
Generally, they add a resistor to make the ECU think that the temperature is cooler, so the air is more dense, so more fuel is added. This is to combat the supposed idea that modern engines with leaner mixtures do not run as smoothly and have poor throttle response. With a closed loop, the ECU will correct at steady state, but when accelerating in open loop mode, the mixture will be richer. Like an accelerator pump in a Weber carb. Many state they add 6% to 8% more fuel than standard during acceleration.
Advantages? People report better running, but it could be the placebo effect at work. More power is unlikely.
Disadvantages? Messing up the emissions control is likely. The result will be non linear, since the mass flow sensor is non linear, so the % fuel added will vary with ambient temperature. This could make the mixture much richer in extreme temperatures, which is not very desirable. Some have a thermistor to compensate for ambient, but unless this is remotely mounted in clean fresh air, it is hardly going to be accurate.
PS: Put it this way...YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF INSTALLING A FLUX CAPASITOR AND KEEP IT UNDER 88!!!!
Kaiso
Here is a little background on what these do and why it is crap I found on another forum:
If this is a device which plugs in line with the air mass flow sensor, then it is basically a resistor to trick the ECU into changing the air-fuel ratio they only claim increased smoothness, economy and small power gains, not what is shown above.
Generally, they add a resistor to make the ECU think that the temperature is cooler, so the air is more dense, so more fuel is added. This is to combat the supposed idea that modern engines with leaner mixtures do not run as smoothly and have poor throttle response. With a closed loop, the ECU will correct at steady state, but when accelerating in open loop mode, the mixture will be richer. Like an accelerator pump in a Weber carb. Many state they add 6% to 8% more fuel than standard during acceleration.
Advantages? People report better running, but it could be the placebo effect at work. More power is unlikely.
Disadvantages? Messing up the emissions control is likely. The result will be non linear, since the mass flow sensor is non linear, so the % fuel added will vary with ambient temperature. This could make the mixture much richer in extreme temperatures, which is not very desirable. Some have a thermistor to compensate for ambient, but unless this is remotely mounted in clean fresh air, it is hardly going to be accurate.
PS: Put it this way...YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF INSTALLING A FLUX CAPASITOR AND KEEP IT UNDER 88!!!!
Kaiso
Sounds like good advice to me
