S&P Downgrades Ford & GM
05-06-2005, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by G-ForceJunkie
do you understand the concept of a Halo car? How many OTHER cars do you think Ford sells more of because of the GT? probably quite a few. Not to mention it brings back the lustre of the brand. I don't think the GT is going to end up costing Ford money, to the contrary, I believe they're making money off it, and if they build a Shelby GR-1 or equivalent on the same platform, then all the R & D and tooling costs are paid for.
How many people would buy the KA? if Ford thought they could make money off it by bringing it here, they would, as much as you like to believe it, they aren't stupid.
and hey, while your at it, why not eliminate all cars that Ford makes money off. (Ford did already ditch the excursion though - because it was NO LONGER profitable, and gave the company a bad image)
Ford's problem has a lot more to do with how much they pay their workers, the UAW, an organization so smart they just might run their biggest employer (GM) into bankruptcy.
How many people would buy the KA? if Ford thought they could make money off it by bringing it here, they would, as much as you like to believe it, they aren't stupid.
and hey, while your at it, why not eliminate all cars that Ford makes money off. (Ford did already ditch the excursion though - because it was NO LONGER profitable, and gave the company a bad image)
Ford's problem has a lot more to do with how much they pay their workers, the UAW, an organization so smart they just might run their biggest employer (GM) into bankruptcy.
I'll do this in point form....
- The Mustang Cobra should be the Halo car, as it is more attainable to the general public
- You would be very surprised on how much for could make off importing the KA, just look at how much Mercedes Benz is making off those ugly little Smart Cars
- Ford still makes the Excursion, but yes it does draw bad press from many sources much like the other large SUVS...
- If you would've read the article in depth, you would notice that SUV sales are at an all time low, and will continue to fall as gas prices rise
And just for the record, I am not saying close the plants that produce the SUV's, I am saying make more fuel efficient vehicles, that could compete with comparable imports, so Ford can become profitable and up grade their status from "junk"....
05-06-2005, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by St_Anger
I'll do this in point form....
- The Mustang Cobra should be the Halo car, as it is more attainable to the general public
Halo cars don't start at 20K (USD)
- You would be very surprised on how much for could make off importing the KA, just look at how much Mercedes Benz is making off those ugly little Smart Cars
- Ok, how long do you think that craze will last for? Even assuming there is a long-term market for cars that small, how big do you think it is?
- Ford still makes the Excursion, but yes it does draw bad press from many sources much like the other large SUVS...
- To my knowledge, the Excursion is scheduled to stop being produced, not sure of the exact date though
- If you would've read the article in depth, you would notice that SUV sales are at an all time low, and will continue to fall as gas prices rise
- OK, but they still make money...
And just for the record, I am not saying close the plants that produce the SUV's, I am saying make more fuel efficient vehicles, that could compete with comparable imports, so Ford can become profitable and up grade their status from "junk"....
- The Mustang Cobra should be the Halo car, as it is more attainable to the general public
Halo cars don't start at 20K (USD)
- You would be very surprised on how much for could make off importing the KA, just look at how much Mercedes Benz is making off those ugly little Smart Cars
- Ok, how long do you think that craze will last for? Even assuming there is a long-term market for cars that small, how big do you think it is?
- Ford still makes the Excursion, but yes it does draw bad press from many sources much like the other large SUVS...
- To my knowledge, the Excursion is scheduled to stop being produced, not sure of the exact date though
- If you would've read the article in depth, you would notice that SUV sales are at an all time low, and will continue to fall as gas prices rise
- OK, but they still make money...
And just for the record, I am not saying close the plants that produce the SUV's, I am saying make more fuel efficient vehicles, that could compete with comparable imports, so Ford can become profitable and up grade their status from "junk"....
- however good Ford vehicles are, they're still going to have the massive problem of the UAW. It's the product that sells cars, but only if you can sell it at a reasonable price, AND still make money off it that you'll upgrade from "junk"
05-11-2005, 02:46 PM
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the GT and the Mustang are both halo cars and ford as a company does need these vehicles to boost thier image those are very good points. of all the vehicles that we need to bring over from europe i wouldent agree with the KA. if we made the focus here the same as it is in europe we would have no problems the diesel in the focus over there is awesome plus it would be nice to have an ST300 over here or even a Falcon FPV from aussieland. and we do have a car out to compete with the corolla and camry the fusion debuts this fall. our line is getting better. with the exclusion of the excursion im kinda glad its gone. but teh expedition and navigator are vidal parts of our business. the other major halo car we couldent be without is the F150 if it wasent for those cars we'd be in alot worse shape than we are now. Ford will bounce back. they are building better cars than ever for cheaper. GM on the other hand...... just my 0.02
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