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Old 01-18-2006, 12:04 AM
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I dont see how spraying Nitrous through a meter will make it think it is getting more air. Its not like we are compressing the intake charge. You would still have the same amount of air entering the engine. The airflow would stay the same in the intake. I can get techinical too! LOL. Nitrous oxide is comprised of 2 parts nitrogen and one part oxygen (36% oxygen by weight). When the nitrous oxide is heated to approximately 572F (on compression stroke), it breaks down and release extra oxygen, However, it is not this oxygen alone which creates additional power, but the ability of this oxygen to burn more fuel. By burning more fuel, higher cylinder pressures are created and this is where most of the additional power is realized. The extra oxygen is introduced during the combustion stage, how is it that the MAF reads this before the combustion stage?

P.S. Not trying to challange you, it just don't make sence to me.
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Old 01-18-2006, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by NXGHOST
I dont see how spraying Nitrous through a meter will make it think it is getting more air. Its not like we are compressing the intake charge. You would still have the same amount of air entering the engine. The airflow would stay the same in the intake. I can get techinical too! LOL. Nitrous oxide is comprised of 2 parts nitrogen and one part oxygen (36% oxygen by weight). When the nitrous oxide is heated to approximately 572F (on compression stroke), it breaks down and release extra oxygen, However, it is not this oxygen alone which creates additional power, but the ability of this oxygen to burn more fuel. By burning more fuel, higher cylinder pressures are created and this is where most of the additional power is realized. The extra oxygen is introduced during the combustion stage, how is it that the MAF reads this before the combustion stage?

P.S. Not trying to challange you, it just don't make sence to me.
The nitrous cools the sensor element, therefor it thinks more "air" is passing through the meter into the engine thus effecting load (we already went over how load is calculated by the meter)

In the MAF sensor there are two sensors that consist of very thin platinum wires wrapped around ceramic bobbins. One sensor is used to measure the temperature of the incoming air charge. The other sensor is heated to maintain 200 degrees C above the temperature sensing element. As air flows over the heated element, the element cools . Electronics in the MAF sensor vary the current to the heated element to maintain the 200 degrees C above the temperature sensing element. This change in current is directly related to the mass of air flowing over the sensing elements. The MAF electronics convert this current change into a voltage output reading which is sent to the EEC. Inside the EEC there is a transfer function that converts MAF voltage to an airflow value. By using this lookup table, the EEC can tell how much air is entering the engine at any given time.
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Old 01-18-2006, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by meister@steeda.ca
The nitrous cools the sensor element, therefor it thinks more "air" is passing through the meter into the engine thus effecting load (we already went over how load is calculated by the meter)

In the MAF sensor there are two sensors that consist of very thin platinum wires wrapped around ceramic bobbins. One sensor is used to measure the temperature of the incoming air charge. The other sensor is heated to maintain 200 degrees C above the temperature sensing element. As air flows over the heated element, the element cools . Electronics in the MAF sensor vary the current to the heated element to maintain the 200 degrees C above the temperature sensing element. This change in current is directly related to the mass of air flowing over the sensing elements. The MAF electronics convert this current change into a voltage output reading which is sent to the EEC. Inside the EEC there is a transfer function that converts MAF voltage to an airflow value. By using this lookup table, the EEC can tell how much air is entering the engine at any given time.
LOL! I looked up the same info! You copy and pasted that biatch! LOL.

http://www.mustangworks.com/articles...tionBlues.html
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Old 01-18-2006, 02:27 PM
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and your point is? I am stating factual information...it is not like I do not understand the concept (if I did not i would have blown up a ton of cars, lol) I know mike very well and have spoken with him in great detail about this

The fact of the matter is what i am stating is accurate information and information i know of

I am actually in the middle of a huge writeup on understanding the power of the EEC, Mass Air system which uses a lot of mike's info combined with mine.

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Old 01-18-2006, 02:37 PM
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I find NOS to be a ton of fun at parties
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Old 01-18-2006, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NXGHOST
LOL! I looked up the same info! You copy and pasted that biatch! LOL.

http://www.mustangworks.com/articles...tionBlues.html
Hey, welcome to the new world. Gen Y and the internet. It's awesome when initially knowing nothing, you can educate yourself in 3 minutes flat.

What do you want to learn today......
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Old 01-18-2006, 03:01 PM
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NOS is for pussies
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Old 01-18-2006, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by meister@steeda.ca
and your point is? I am stating factual information...it is not like I do not understand the concept (if I did not i would have blown up a ton of cars, lol) I know mike very well and have spoken with him in great detail about this

The fact of the matter is what i am stating is accurate information and information i know of

I am actually in the middle of a huge writeup on understanding the power of the EEC, Mass Air system which uses a lot of mike's info combined with mine.
I just found it funny that I just read that article then read yours. I understand now how the cooler air makes the MAF think its getting more air. Personally I still prefer to NOT have 2+ feet of intake tubing flowing nitrous. Either way, with my wet kit I sure aint spraying through the MAF I currently have my jet as close to the TB as I can, worked great all summer. Either way sounds aight.
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Old 01-18-2006, 03:06 PM
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It is a good article...everyone should read it. I have hung onto this article since mike was with autologic many many moons ago
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And blowers are for whiners.
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