Scone Racing - 1986 5.0TT Build Thread
 

Will be starting the TT build-up soon, so I thought I'd start the thread in here.

I got the hotside stuff in a deal from Jeff Caroll
These are pics of his hotside stuff he made for me. They came uncoated (which I expected) but he tossed in a set of header bolts and a tube of High Temp RTV Silicone Gasket Maker called Ultra Copperwhich I didn't expect.
http://ziptie007.phpwebhosting.com/c...copper_img.jpg


my puppy checking out the loot
http://photo.ringo.com/189/189046451O896159082.jpg

close up of one header
http://photo.ringo.com/189/189046456O278984967.jpg

This is only his Stage 1 Kit. If you are interested in going turbo check out his site and see some of his other amazing products.

I am using a buddies webspace to host these pics, but he's almost out of room. Does anyone know an easy to use free site that I can use to upload pics of my other parts? And the pics of the install :)

To answer your question, your internet service provider should allot you some webspace where you can upload everything on your own... I've never seen a company that doesn't give you atleast 5-10 MB. I think there's also Photobucket, but I've never used it myself.

bunch of teases huh?

Sorry, ran outta time and had to leave it bare bones, but it's updated now.

Would you mind deleting your posts? And if you can answer my questions I'd really appreciate it :)

here's pics of Kenne Bell 12:1 FMU and a low mile 88 DA1 computer. My 86 eec actually has more aggresive set-up and is better naturally aspirated, but with the boost i'm gonna play on the safe side with 88 which is already set up for E7 heads, bigger upper and TB...

http://photo.ringo.com/159/159092787O592542391.jpg
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adding a pic of the IC
 

Should have pics of the injectors, and T3s in the next week or two :)

Oh and all the oil lines and fittings as well.

Anyway, here's FMIC I should have used this season as a bottom mount. I have a two into 1 which will work better with pump gas due to the fact it's HUGE, or I may try selling/trading it for a wideband sensor, as well as a really nice SAAB FMIC which I've found doesn't fit as well as I was told, mostlikely due to being a 4 eyed front end.

The only thing I didn't like about Jeff's work on my downpipes (prolly caused by the rush I had him under, and it's nothing a little careful grinding can't fix :tup

So there are pics of the insides of each of the wastegate housings.
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http://photo.ringo.com/159/159092791O643024889.jpg
http://photo.ringo.com/159/159092766O739072568.jpg

is there any way you can get inside those parts there and get rid of the slag and small bits of steel sticking out in the inside?? won't that disrupt air flow (slight i know..but better flow is always a plus) plus what happens if a piece or 2 of that steel comes off and gets sucked into a turbo :cry2: ... maybe you plan to do it... just wondering, interested in seeing the rest of this go together

Like I said above "The only thing I didn't like about Jeff's work on my downpipes (prolly caused by the rush I had him under, and it's nothing a little careful grinding can't fix "

So yeah, I'll be in there grinding it smooth, dont' want any problems and it's doing the little things like that that make you faster than the other guys :biggrin:

I would leave them and have them coated. Grinding the welded down will weaken it. I did the same thing on my car hehe.

Use a grinder and one of those metal sanding wheels from CT. It workes much better then a grinder wheel

http://www.u-s-r.com/images/downpipe...9_05%20003.jpg

http://www.u-s-r.com/images/downpipe...9_05%20002.jpg

Never said I was going to use a grinder....nor did I say I was going to grind the welds. I'm going to use a grinding bit I use for porting things like stock headers to clean up the welds inside wastegate housing. If you look closesly there is even a 1 inch piece of welding wire sticking off of one of welds inside the housing. Not to mention that the housings are also welded completely around on the outside so anything I do inside is safe, and I'm just making them safer.

I hope that didn't come across as rude, but what you said made me feel like/look like a dumb dumb to someone who has no idea about this kind of stuff.

Scones, do you have all of your piping done? If not, whos doing your bending? I'm going to need some intercooler piping bent sooner or later and was wondering who does that around here and won't rape you in price...

Steve (Schlodes knows a guy) that does it. I'm just gonna use PVC piping for now lol

What the hell... UPDATES MAN!

You're slacking.

No worries. I dont take offense to anyone on message boards. Keep us updated with how the install goes.

You should make your own cold side. Its much easier than the hot side. This is the second setup I have made on my car. I wish I had a better welder other then the POS ebay 90A unit I have.

Hot side was a pain but the cold side was pretty easy. Here's a picture of the car last week. You can see how I routed mine. I know a twin setup is very different from a single.

What T3's are you planning on using?

Flynnt - I found the cheapest mendrel bends are from Dynomax. I think i paid 16-18 bucks for a u-bend. If you can find someone with a mendrel bender that local let me know

I picked up one of my .63/.60 turbos, all my oil lines and fittings, and the 24lb injectors on sunday. i'll try and get some pics up for you guys ASAP. the turbo was in amazing condition, even has a nicely polished compressor housing...bling bling lol

24's seem on the small side? Are you planning on running an FMU? 36's would be a more approperiate size for a mild setup. You can also use #28's from a grand national or #30's from the ford thunderbirds. The GN injectors have a nice bonus of going "fat" on the top end offering more fuel.

24's are good to about 350 WHP NA. You car at 6-8 PSI should make that no problem but you might be playing with fire wich such a small injector. Blow HG's are a PITA. I would try 19's with an FMU or #36 lb/hr straight up IMO.

24s are a little on the small side but they're also the biggest i can go with the factory speed density eec. i'll be using a 12:1 kenne bell FMU to spike the pressure under boost. kind of an archaic set up but i've seen it work (MM&FF made it work using 19s on a 10:1 compression stang lol).

You should have lots of fuel with 24's and a FMU. We all have cars on a budget. Just do the best with what you have.

Exactly, that's why I said I had an FMU and posted a pic of it on the first page of this thread :poke:

LOL my deepest appolgies. I managed to pick up new #43 lb injectors for 150.00 for my car so it all worked out well. My buddy made me fuel rails from aluminum bar. The fuel lines from the rails to the regularo are off a TTC Bus. I still have a pile into my car and I still need paint and exhaust.

Keep my updated on the turbo project.

Oh, whats your HP goal?

I'm looking to get anywhere from 400-500RWHP, but I'm not really concerrned about HP numbers. I'm more looking for mid 11s at the track.

I found a way to host pics so I can finally add a few more.

Here's one of the T3s
http://photo-origin.tickle.com/image...O010849315.jpg

Here are the blue tops
http://photo-origin.tickle.com/image...O776753789.jpg

And here's all the oil stuff
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That's nice.... now install it damnit.

It's annoying. I'm waiting on a couple little pieces still.The tap I need for my oil pan still hasn't come in, the brackets for the exhaust housing of my other turbo are gone, I need to find two wastegate actuators, and all my silicone connectors. :bluecool:

I got all couplings here. http://www.hightempsilicone.com/

Well took a couple more pics while I'm waiting for the last little bits and pieces to come in. First is basically everything I have now laid out on the work bench including the SAAB9000 FMIC I've decided to run with.

http://photo-origin.tickle.com/image...O170542219.jpg

Here are the E7 heads I'll upgrade to next season when I've picked up some cometic head gaskets and ARP head bolts.

http://photo-origin.tickle.com/image...O589078883.jpg

Hey bro in my opinion ditch those saab intercoolers and spend a little money on a good spearco unit. You will be alot happier in the end. Looking good tho :thumb1:

Those SAAB intercoolers are pretty nice pieces actually. Ligth as a feather and almost 0 pressure drop from one side to another. If you're like me and won't be running more than 10-12PSI they're the way to go IMO

Tonight's the night boys and girls - fuctional TT5.0 by the end of Monday
 

Well, I should have my daily driver back tomorrow so I'm gonna start bolting everything up tonight - hopefully the the wifey will bring back my air ratchet from k'ville.

Actually, before I get out there I should ask if anyone has a link to something that would have detailed instructions on installing a Kenne Bell FMU (or any other FMU - they are all just cartech rip-offs lol) and for an MSD 6BTM. I'ven installed a 6A a LONG time ago on my 84 GT Turbo and helped install my bro's 6AL one summer, so I'm pretty confident I can figure it out, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Thanks :D

I'll take lots of pics for all y'all :P

Those saab coolers arent that bad at all for a DIY setup, Another popular choice that I have seen are volvo intercoolers,

Well I finally brought my spare motor over from my buddies place. It doesn't look like much but it ran like a raped ape.

http://photo-origin.tickle.com/image...O984083269.jpg

Here's the old motor coming out....gonna miss her.
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http://photo-origin.tickle.com/image...O896597381.jpg

All I gotta now is clean up the other motor, bolt of a few parts and drop it in. She'll be boosting in no time :D

You can get some decent Intercoolers though e-bay. The one I used cost me $225.00 to my door. The core is 24X12X4 with 3" inlets and outlets.

http://www.u-s-r.com/images/Intercoo...4_05%20001.jpg

http://www.u-s-r.com/images/turbosys...5_05%20013.jpg

Wish I know you needed an IC, I just gave away my modified powerstroke IC. I cut the PS IC in half then doubled it up and addednew end tanks. It was a monster but it would have worked well.


Its coming along nicly. Will you have it out this summer?

I wonder where everyone keeps getting the idea that I need an intercooler, I've posted pics of the two out of three intercoolers that I have and am considering for this install lol
BTW, that's a mean looking intercooler you have there.

Looks good bro, keep it up :thumb1:

LOL I know you dont need it. I am just offering some options incase you want to get something bigger for cheaper.

Hey its the only turbo thread I can post in on the site ok! :thumb1: They need a whole section of turbo talk so I can post to my hearts content.

Well I'm pretty much finished cleaning the motor. Thought I'd take some pics of it with the headers on for fun. May as well post them....still have to clean up the valve covers and put on the new intake but it gives an idea. I've decided I'm not gonna paint it, I just don't have time to do it all the way I want before I move to the new house so cleaned up is gonna have to be good enough.

Before
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after
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Looking good. Go to crappy ture and pick up some block enamel. Paint that sucker up pretty. It makes a world of difference.

Well, I have 4 weeks before I move to the new house and no time after work to work on it, SO I've decided I'm not going to paint it. Once I do that I'm gonna have to paint all the accessories and the accessory brackets. Once that's done I'd have to paint the engine, and if I'm going to go to the trouble of painting the engine bay I'm gonna have to relocate all the wires and stuff to the inside of the fenders. It's a downward spiral I'm just not ready for, nor have time for. I've got to get this motor in and the turbos on and everything running by September 1st.

OK, I got one of my return fittings in now. Here's the pics...

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Well, just got the other side done. I hope these things don't leak :)

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