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VT Stage 2 Cams & Emissions
It appears that the VT Stage II cams will NOT pass emissions here in Ontario. :bleh:
anyone else on here have these cams and have passed or failed an emissions test? |
Steve, can anything be done fiddling with the tune, to get it to pass ??
cheers Ed N. |
Really? I know a few ppl that are going to be screwed then...
do you have the results? and how far out were you ? |
Originally Posted by Bizness
Really? I know a few ppl that are going to be screwed then...
do you have the results? and how far out were you ? No guarantees the tune will change anything according to Steeda.ca and VT |
A buddy of mine just did the cams last month too..doesnt have it on the road yet but needs a e-test before he can get it on the road this year...he's not going to be happy :banghead:
Steve msg me if you figure a way out, he's going to need some help on this. |
Originally Posted by Bizness
A buddy of mine just did the cams last month too..doesnt have it on the road yet but needs a e-test before he can get it on the road this year...he's not going to be happy :banghead:
Steve msg me if you figure a way out, he's going to need some help on this. |
Originally Posted by fast Ed
Steve, can anything be done fiddling with the tune, to get it to pass ??
cheers Ed N. |
That's what I was wondering, if you could do a special tune to pass the test, then change it back for regular driving.
cheers Ed N. |
A re-tune is an option but it's just not feasible.
I might have to settle for a conditional pass. |
sounds alot like the Morgan
to pass we have to bump the timing way back and she runs like a pig...but passes easily |
Leaning out the AFR and pulling out a crap load of timing is really the only thing we can do to reduce the HC rate, but it is not a guarntee the car will pass. We were told the cam's are emissions friendly but every state/province has different emissions standards.
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Very interested in this topic as I'm considering the same cams.
While I agree it might pass by taking out timing / fuel, once it's returned to "the tune" your still prime time for an on road ticket. Steve, what are you running for a thermostat / what cats / long or short tubes? Paul, if it'll pass with a "detune" can it be left in a multi tune chip so as to mess with the on road enforcement folks. Very coool to mess with em at the flick of a switch. :tup |
Originally Posted by ZR 5.0
Very interested in this topic as I'm considering the same cams.
While I agree it might pass by taking out timing / fuel, once it's returned to "the tune" your still prime time for an on road ticket. Steve, what are you running for a thermostat / what cats / long or short tubes? Paul, if it'll pass with a "detune" can it be left in a multi tune chip so as to mess with the on road enforcement folks. Very coool to mess with em at the flick of a switch. :tup I wish I had an etest machine on my dyno so I could spend a day messing around with parameters trying to get it very close...but then again, close is not good enough I'm here for Steve to use to try and find a solution, but as I mentioned before some places have different standards and might have been capable to pass in MI but not here...our emissions laws SUCK |
Originally Posted by ZR 5.0
Very interested in this topic as I'm considering the same cams.
While I agree it might pass by taking out timing / fuel, once it's returned to "the tune" your still prime time for an on road ticket. Steve, what are you running for a thermostat / what cats / long or short tubes? Paul, if it'll pass with a "detune" can it be left in a multi tune chip so as to mess with the on road enforcement folks. Very coool to mess with em at the flick of a switch. :tup I would be going back to Paul to have him fix it but they're just too far away for me to make it over there. :cry2: |
Originally Posted by BlueGT
Stock t-stat....180 I believe. Almost new Carsound cats and stock manifolds.
I would be going back to Paul to have him fix it but they're just too far away for me to make it over there. :cry2: |
Originally Posted by meister@steeda.ca
its not that far away and if i had my dyno and wideband at my house u could meet me there :banghead:
Move to Toronto....better yet....Ajax would be best. :) |
my advise is to take a conditional
(I've done this on the Morgan...as long as your e-test shop haven't got their heads up their asses...they'll write you a conditional considering the cams) then you'll have some leadtime to work with Meister on a switch-chip plan??? |
isn't minimal conditional pass $450+ now with the new rules? .... ouch
Might almost be better off getting a rental car for a couple days for that price, while the car is at Steeda, to let Paul find a tune for it. Those cams sound awesome, hopefully all you lads that have them can get this figured out, be a waste to have to get rid of them because of poor emmsions |
Originally Posted by JuMPy
isn't minimal conditional pass $450+ now with the new rules? .... ouch
if the diagnosis to fix the car exceeds the $450....they don't make you pay the $450 both times when I got a conditional on the Morgan...I simply challenged the shop that the car was never designed or built to pass emissions...and in order to do so, the work needed on the motor would likely cost thousands...it wasn't hard to convince them all Steve has to do is blame it on the cam swap....and a cam swap is nowhere near $450 I think the amount was raised to $450...to simply keep up with the price increases on parts and repair....for the general stuff that would likely cause a "regular" car to fail. |
Tell them its a 5.4 and get it tested as a hot rod. Either that or do like everyone else, get a hot e-test.
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Originally Posted by 2000BLKGT
that's not how it works IIRC
if the diagnosis to fix the car exceeds the $450....they don't make you pay the $450 both times when I got a conditional on the Morgan...I simply challenged the shop that the car was never designed or built to pass emissions...and in order to do so, the work needed on the motor would likely cost thousands...it wasn't hard to convince them all Steve has to do is blame it on the cam swap....and a cam swap is nowhere near $450 I think the amount was raised to $450...to simply keep up with the price increases on parts and repair....for the general stuff that would likely cause a "regular" car to fail. |
Originally Posted by 2000BLKGT
that's not how it works IIRC
if the diagnosis to fix the car exceeds the $450....they don't make you pay the $450 both times when I got a conditional on the Morgan...I simply challenged the shop that the car was never designed or built to pass emissions...and in order to do so, the work needed on the motor would likely cost thousands...it wasn't hard to convince them all Steve has to do is blame it on the cam swap....and a cam swap is nowhere near $450 I think the amount was raised to $450...to simply keep up with the price increases on parts and repair....for the general stuff that would likely cause a "regular" car to fail. The cost to replace the cams is about $1100. since it does exceed the repair limit, and is the direct cause, it was given a conditional pass. She'll be plated this afternoon :tup |
Originally Posted by JuMPy
then what would it cost for a conditional then? ........ how does this system work? ...I'm confused?
you fail you determine the cause, and if it exceeds the stipulated maximum e-test #2 = $15 (I think) the shop may (and likely will) charge you a small labour charge for the time it takes to determine the cause edit...congrats Steve :tup |
aahhhhh....I see
Thanks for the clarification |
Here's some costs involved.
$37 for the first e-test. $90 for diagnostics to determine the problem. $17 for a re-test. That's really the only legit way to do it. She's back on the road, I just got back with my sticker :tup |
Woeeeee,the title of this thread got my attention :confused: .
Glad to see you got the sticker. :tup |
Congrats on getting it through..................I'd love to see how much the numbers might change with either a 195 or perhaps a 205 stat instead of the 180. The low temp stat combined with colder temps / fast cool down are likely contributing to the problem.
Your thoughts Paul? |
Weird. When I couldn't pass my emissions tests they wouldn't accept that. They would only allow a conditional pass if I was stock on all aspects of what could effect it.
I paid full price and got it tested 3 or 4 times before passing and there was no chance of getting a conditional pass without changing my program or pulling the chip I had. This was at Fine's. |
Accoring to Drive Clean...
The Repair Cost Limit (RCL) sets a maximum of $450 which must be spent on emissions system repairs if your vehicle fails its initial Drive Clean emissions test. To take advantage of the RCL, you will require a full Drive Clean diagnostic. This will help pinpoint your vehicle’s emissions problems and allow a Drive Clean repair technician to prepare an accurate cost estimate of repairs. The cost of the diagnostic will count towards the RCL. You must receive a written repair estimate. If repairs are estimated to cost less than the RCL (as in most cases), they must all be done before the vehicle is re-tested. If repairs are estimated to cost more than the RCL, the vehicle will only require as many as can be done up to the amount of the RCL. It is up to the vehicle owner to authorize any repairs, including any amount over the RCL. Since I have a single issue, nothing else can be done to bring the total up to $450 since the problem is solely the cams. |
I am seriously thinking about stage 2 heads and cams but I am worried that it would be a real headache.........if I could get a conditional pass I would still like to pursue this set up......but it sounds like it is up to the shop to do this...am I reading this right?
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Originally Posted by ZR 5.0
Congrats on getting it through..................I'd love to see how much the numbers might change with either a 195 or perhaps a 205 stat instead of the 180. The low temp stat combined with colder temps / fast cool down are likely contributing to the problem.
Your thoughts Paul? |
Originally Posted by meister@steeda.ca
I do not really see this helping reduce the HC's....if we had easier access to the car I could have tried to fix the issue
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it just needs to be taken out to the north of you and taken for a little run...just remember those roads eat motors :banghead: :wink:
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Originally Posted by dohp
it just needs to be taken out to the north of you and taken for a little run...just remember those roads eat motors :banghead: :wink:
How do they eat motors? |
Originally Posted by St_Anger
How do they eat motors?
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Originally Posted by BlueGT
I blew my stock motor on a open country road :LOL:
All I can say to that is. D'oh!!! |
Originally Posted by BlueGT
Hydrocarbons.....150 limit. 1050 reading :bleh: That was the idle test. It passes barely on the driving test.
No guarantees the tune will change anything according to Steeda.ca and VT |
IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIVEEEEEEEEEEEE (this post that is...)
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Originally Posted by WOT MODS
I'll have to look it up again but I was quoted as a "Gross Polluter" @ idle in particular with a reading of 2000 or something - Comp 278s - This is prior to a complete tune - haven't had it tested lately...
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