VT Stage 2 Cams & Emissions
03-22-2006, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 2000BLKGT
that's not how it works IIRC
if the diagnosis to fix the car exceeds the $450....they don't make you pay the $450
both times when I got a conditional on the Morgan...I simply challenged the shop that the car was never designed or built to pass emissions...and in order to do so, the work needed on the motor would likely cost thousands...it wasn't hard to convince them
all Steve has to do is blame it on the cam swap....and a cam swap is nowhere near $450
I think the amount was raised to $450...to simply keep up with the price increases on parts and repair....for the general stuff that would likely cause a "regular" car to fail.
if the diagnosis to fix the car exceeds the $450....they don't make you pay the $450
both times when I got a conditional on the Morgan...I simply challenged the shop that the car was never designed or built to pass emissions...and in order to do so, the work needed on the motor would likely cost thousands...it wasn't hard to convince them
all Steve has to do is blame it on the cam swap....and a cam swap is nowhere near $450
I think the amount was raised to $450...to simply keep up with the price increases on parts and repair....for the general stuff that would likely cause a "regular" car to fail.
03-22-2006, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 2000BLKGT
that's not how it works IIRC
if the diagnosis to fix the car exceeds the $450....they don't make you pay the $450
both times when I got a conditional on the Morgan...I simply challenged the shop that the car was never designed or built to pass emissions...and in order to do so, the work needed on the motor would likely cost thousands...it wasn't hard to convince them
all Steve has to do is blame it on the cam swap....and a cam swap is nowhere near $450
I think the amount was raised to $450...to simply keep up with the price increases on parts and repair....for the general stuff that would likely cause a "regular" car to fail.
if the diagnosis to fix the car exceeds the $450....they don't make you pay the $450
both times when I got a conditional on the Morgan...I simply challenged the shop that the car was never designed or built to pass emissions...and in order to do so, the work needed on the motor would likely cost thousands...it wasn't hard to convince them
all Steve has to do is blame it on the cam swap....and a cam swap is nowhere near $450
I think the amount was raised to $450...to simply keep up with the price increases on parts and repair....for the general stuff that would likely cause a "regular" car to fail.
The cost to replace the cams is about $1100. since it does exceed the repair limit, and is the direct cause, it was given a conditional pass.
She'll be plated this afternoon
03-22-2006, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JuMPy
then what would it cost for a conditional then? ........ how does this system work? ...I'm confused?
you fail
you determine the cause, and if it exceeds the stipulated maximum
e-test #2 = $15 (I think)
the shop may (and likely will) charge you a small labour charge for the time it takes to determine the cause
edit...congrats Steve
03-22-2006, 04:09 PM
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Here's some costs involved.
$37 for the first e-test.
$90 for diagnostics to determine the problem.
$17 for a re-test.
That's really the only legit way to do it.
She's back on the road, I just got back with my sticker
$37 for the first e-test.
$90 for diagnostics to determine the problem.
$17 for a re-test.
That's really the only legit way to do it.
She's back on the road, I just got back with my sticker
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03-22-2006, 09:16 PM
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Congrats on getting it through..................I'd love to see how much the numbers might change with either a 195 or perhaps a 205 stat instead of the 180. The low temp stat combined with colder temps / fast cool down are likely contributing to the problem.
Your thoughts Paul?
Your thoughts Paul?
03-22-2006, 10:45 PM
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Weird. When I couldn't pass my emissions tests they wouldn't accept that. They would only allow a conditional pass if I was stock on all aspects of what could effect it.
I paid full price and got it tested 3 or 4 times before passing and there was no chance of getting a conditional pass without changing my program or pulling the chip I had. This was at Fine's.
I paid full price and got it tested 3 or 4 times before passing and there was no chance of getting a conditional pass without changing my program or pulling the chip I had. This was at Fine's.
03-22-2006, 11:42 PM
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Accoring to Drive Clean...
Because my only emissions related issue is the camshafts. the repair estimate is much more than the $450.
Since I have a single issue, nothing else can be done to bring the total up to $450 since the problem is solely the cams.
The Repair Cost Limit (RCL) sets a maximum of $450 which must be spent on emissions system repairs if your vehicle fails its initial Drive Clean emissions test. To take advantage of the RCL, you will require a full Drive Clean diagnostic. This will help pinpoint your vehicle’s emissions problems and allow a Drive Clean repair technician to prepare an accurate cost estimate of repairs. The cost of the diagnostic will count towards the RCL.
You must receive a written repair estimate. If repairs are estimated to cost less than the RCL (as in most cases), they must all be done before the vehicle is re-tested. If repairs are estimated to cost more than the RCL, the vehicle will only require as many as can be done up to the amount of the RCL. It is up to the vehicle owner to authorize any repairs, including any amount over the RCL.
You must receive a written repair estimate. If repairs are estimated to cost less than the RCL (as in most cases), they must all be done before the vehicle is re-tested. If repairs are estimated to cost more than the RCL, the vehicle will only require as many as can be done up to the amount of the RCL. It is up to the vehicle owner to authorize any repairs, including any amount over the RCL.
Since I have a single issue, nothing else can be done to bring the total up to $450 since the problem is solely the cams.
03-24-2006, 04:23 PM
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I am seriously thinking about stage 2 heads and cams but I am worried that it would be a real headache.........if I could get a conditional pass I would still like to pursue this set up......but it sounds like it is up to the shop to do this...am I reading this right?
