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What would be causing this.***UPDATE***

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Old 07-16-2007, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG NICK
The fuel pump voltage on returnless cars are controled by duty cycle (via fpdm) and if the pump is not compatible the pump will draw more current shuting the fpdm down..setting the 1232 dtc...its not the fuel pump size thats the problem.You need to fix this issue first...
ok thanks nick.
The reason i asked if 255 was the biggest is because pat from steeda said 255 limit is 450ish HP.....
so if it is the wrong pump, i was just consider going bigger.


Is there a way to tell if the pump is for a returnless style car?

it went into place nicely.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by White_Snake
I was thinking IAC also, but now that you mention the T.P problem, i know that i have to snap the throttle to get it to come down after driving it. also push back the throttle when under hood to get it to come down more. but that does not explain why it would go up and down when the fan kicks on.
It would fluctuate when the fan kicks on because the idle is commanded up a bit when the fan comes on to keep the engine from stalling due to the extra load the fan is pulling, so if the T.P. or IAC is a problem, it won't work as required, causeing the issue you describe.


As for the fuel pump code, I'm not too familiar with running non-stock pumps in returnless fuel systems, so I'd listen to Nick on that one.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by White_Snake
ok thanks nick.
The reason i asked if 255 was the biggest is because pat from steeda said 255 limit is 450ish HP.....
so if it is the wrong pump, i was just consider going bigger.


Is there a way to tell if the pump is for a returnless style car?

it went into place nicely.
How many lines did you disconnect at the sending unit, 1, or 2? if 1 it's returnless, if 2, it's a return-style.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:57 PM
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It IS a return style system, it is stock with an upgraded pump.(1996)
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Old 07-22-2007, 04:21 AM
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Don't take this the wrong way but reading your posts makes my decision easy,

Step 1: Get car running with base tune, make sure there are no leaks etc.
Step 2: Drop car off at Tuners
Step 3; Pick up car when it is running perfect or blown up.

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Old 07-22-2007, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NXGHOST
Don't take this the wrong way but reading your posts makes my decision easy,

Step 1: Get car running with base tune, make sure there are no leaks etc.
Step 2: Drop car off at Tuners
Step 3; Pick up car when it is running perfect or blown up.

LOL
Easier said then done.

i got three tunes off of steeda, +5% fuel tune was WAY is rich. base tune is way to rich, and -5% fuel is rich.

closest tuner would be dasilvas, and even at that they are over an hour away. the steeda @ 2 hours away. i have been talking with cobraNT though.

But that is what i am doing, making sure there is NO mechanical problems left so their job is easier.
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Well thanks to Nick and Chris that let me borrow their wideband, we made a couple pulls down the 401.

Well after some pipes blowing off from the boost we finally managed to get 11.0 for A/F ratio!!

It is running alot better.

BUT we had to drop the fuel pressure down to 25PSI (VAC OFF) to get it to lean up.
We started off at 8.X A/F ratio.

So my tune is a WEEEEEEE bit rich!

It is idling a lot better, and does not want to die as much when the fan kicks on.

So we are figuring it is all in the tune now, and nothing mechanical!!!
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Old 07-29-2007, 10:16 PM
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good to hear it helped out! now you know its safe to drive, a little rich, but safe! So what do you guys think of the wideband? did you hook up the aux box and check boost?
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Originally Posted by nickm50
good to hear it helped out! now you know its safe to drive, a little rich, but safe! So what do you guys think of the wideband? did you hook up the aux box and check boost?
No we did not messure the boost, we are going to do some more maybe today and figure how much boost it is creating.

I am going to be buying one very soon, the same one.... I love the layout, it seems to be user friendly etc...

Yes we hit 11.0 A/F under WOT @6500RPM
Idle/driving is around 10.0 A/F still much rich but the cars seems to be performing much better.

When we started the first drive with the W/B on it... the car was idleing and hitting 9.3 A/F when the Cobra got released in WOT mode in 3rd gear it went directly at 8.4 A/F running stock 39.5 Fuel PSI (Vac off) just horrible!!!!

Still feel sorry for the person behide us ....lol
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Old 07-30-2007, 03:22 PM
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you going to get that from me? and how does the beast work! he should still take it up and get it tuned!

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