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06-19-2007, 01:27 PM
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Listen face this has nothing to to with your notch my car or anything else i want to see the proof that a stock 351 with a top end kit(not including heads)
can run 12 seconds if you can show me the time slip and the car that does it ill shut the up
your the one running your mouth i could care less what YOUR car runs or if you red light or break ........that happens its called racing
I never raced your Notch jerk off mainly because your cars never leaves the garage but im sure it will beat my car that has a stock engine with some bolt ons and i cant get anywhere near 12's maybe i should pull the motor and put it in a Notch
it aughta be good for 12's then eh?
Dont phone me next time you need help with something..
can run 12 seconds if you can show me the time slip and the car that does it ill shut the up
your the one running your mouth i could care less what YOUR car runs or if you red light or break ........that happens its called racing
I never raced your Notch jerk off mainly because your cars never leaves the garage but im sure it will beat my car that has a stock engine with some bolt ons and i cant get anywhere near 12's maybe i should pull the motor and put it in a Notch
it aughta be good for 12's then eh?
Dont phone me next time you need help with something..
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06-19-2007, 03:03 PM
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06-19-2007, 07:27 PM
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whole lee alot went on here lol
first off rob, i know that 83 gt's dont come with 351's...but did you ever think that someone had enough brain cells to put one in there?
second do you have any good suspension mods on your car, obviously you dont because by your book it doesnt do a thing
third of all, do we really need to scream and act like little 5 year olds. come on now i'm only 16 and am acting mature then you two.
first off rob, i know that 83 gt's dont come with 351's...but did you ever think that someone had enough brain cells to put one in there?
second do you have any good suspension mods on your car, obviously you dont because by your book it doesnt do a thing
third of all, do we really need to scream and act like little 5 year olds. come on now i'm only 16 and am acting mature then you two.
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06-19-2007, 07:29 PM
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whole lee alot went on here lol
first off rob, i know that 83 gt's dont come with 351's...but did you ever think that someone had enough brain cells to put one in there?
second do you have any good suspension mods on your car, obviously you dont becasue by your book it doesnt do a thing
third of all, do we really need to scream and act like little 5 year olds. come on now i'm only 16 and am acting mature then you two.
first off rob, i know that 83 gt's dont come with 351's...but did you ever think that someone had enough brain cells to put one in there?
second do you have any good suspension mods on your car, obviously you dont becasue by your book it doesnt do a thing
third of all, do we really need to scream and act like little 5 year olds. come on now i'm only 16 and am acting mature then you two.
Last edited by tear u a new 1; 06-19-2007 at 07:36 PM.
06-20-2007, 12:18 AM
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WOW from a guy (16yo) asking how fast we think his car will run to where this ended up is amazing. When you say a top end of an engine its always been H/C/I. Terminal I don't know what you have done to your car but to not be even close to a 12 it can't be much. What is the fastest anyone of your cars has ever gone? What experience do you have that allows you to condemn his car to the 14's or 15's. Maybe some suggestions as to how to better his combination would be more appropriate.
08-23-2007, 09:56 PM
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Just a few points to add to (and hopefully save) this thread.
1. There have been lots of very close to stock fox bodied cars dip into the low 13's, even 12's. These are 302 powered cars, not 351W.
2. The 351W were not much more powerful than the stock 302HO. They were more powerful than the TRUCK 302, but the HO made very similar power figures. The torque numbers weren't much higher either to answer Warren's question.
3. The suspension WILL help the car get down the track faster. So will the 3.55 gears. Your converter is going to hurt you. A nice stall converter would really help.
4. A good friend of mine has been mid 13's with a pretty much bone stock '87 GT and gears. 13.6 to be exact. Many fox cars run 14's and 15, but there are "factory freaks" and "guys that can drive" that have gotten a lot better than that out of them.
My '87 T-Top went 14.2 when it was bone stock. Add electric fan, underdrives and full exhaust and the car went 13.8. That's still a stock 302 with a stock top-end on it.
Josh (StealthGT) just had his '89 notch run a 13.97 with a stock 302.
5. A 351W is heavier than a 302. They also don't have any better heads than a 302 does stock. The camshaft also sucks. This is assuming we are talking about a STOCK TRUCK 351W from the late 80's, early 90's. If we are talking about one out of a Crown Victoria, they were like 180HP, a fair bit less than the same year 302HO. Even with an intake and carb on it, you are still dealing with an engine that has crappy heads and is going to kill it's ability to rev. To take advantage of the added displacement, you need better cylinder heads.
A bigger engine doesn't magically mean a car is faster. It just means it has a bigger engine. The bigger engine typically has more POTENTIAL, but whether that potential is tapped or not depends on what's done to it to try and take advantage of it.
At the beginning of this thread, the given ET was between low 12's and low 13's, that's a HUGE rift. HIGH 12's and LOW 13's is a bit more realistic. It takes a fair bit of power to drop a second off an ET, typically something like a 100HP shot of nitrous sort of power.
And to clarify some stuff:
An engine with "top end work" typically means it's got heads, cam, intake. If it's got an intake, you say it's got an intake, not top-end work. Stock bottom end doesn't mean . There are lots of stock bottom-ended 302's consuming copious amounts of boost and nitrous that continue to take a beating and live. A stock bottom-ended 351W is no different. And stating it has a stock bottom isn't some sort of mystical thing either. Sure, it could have a stock bottom end, but it could also have a nice solid roller cam, AFR 225's and a Super Victor on it! Yeah, it's a stock bottom-ended 351W, but it's FAR FROM STOCK!!!! It seems we have some confusion of terms going on.
To the poster: I would think 13's would be obtainable, especially with a converter! To really wake it up, put a nice set of heads and a good cam in that thing and then REALLY watch it shine!
1. There have been lots of very close to stock fox bodied cars dip into the low 13's, even 12's. These are 302 powered cars, not 351W.
2. The 351W were not much more powerful than the stock 302HO. They were more powerful than the TRUCK 302, but the HO made very similar power figures. The torque numbers weren't much higher either to answer Warren's question.
3. The suspension WILL help the car get down the track faster. So will the 3.55 gears. Your converter is going to hurt you. A nice stall converter would really help.
4. A good friend of mine has been mid 13's with a pretty much bone stock '87 GT and gears. 13.6 to be exact. Many fox cars run 14's and 15, but there are "factory freaks" and "guys that can drive" that have gotten a lot better than that out of them.
My '87 T-Top went 14.2 when it was bone stock. Add electric fan, underdrives and full exhaust and the car went 13.8. That's still a stock 302 with a stock top-end on it.
Josh (StealthGT) just had his '89 notch run a 13.97 with a stock 302.
5. A 351W is heavier than a 302. They also don't have any better heads than a 302 does stock. The camshaft also sucks. This is assuming we are talking about a STOCK TRUCK 351W from the late 80's, early 90's. If we are talking about one out of a Crown Victoria, they were like 180HP, a fair bit less than the same year 302HO. Even with an intake and carb on it, you are still dealing with an engine that has crappy heads and is going to kill it's ability to rev. To take advantage of the added displacement, you need better cylinder heads.
A bigger engine doesn't magically mean a car is faster. It just means it has a bigger engine. The bigger engine typically has more POTENTIAL, but whether that potential is tapped or not depends on what's done to it to try and take advantage of it.
At the beginning of this thread, the given ET was between low 12's and low 13's, that's a HUGE rift. HIGH 12's and LOW 13's is a bit more realistic. It takes a fair bit of power to drop a second off an ET, typically something like a 100HP shot of nitrous sort of power.
And to clarify some stuff:
An engine with "top end work" typically means it's got heads, cam, intake. If it's got an intake, you say it's got an intake, not top-end work. Stock bottom end doesn't mean . There are lots of stock bottom-ended 302's consuming copious amounts of boost and nitrous that continue to take a beating and live. A stock bottom-ended 351W is no different. And stating it has a stock bottom isn't some sort of mystical thing either. Sure, it could have a stock bottom end, but it could also have a nice solid roller cam, AFR 225's and a Super Victor on it! Yeah, it's a stock bottom-ended 351W, but it's FAR FROM STOCK!!!! It seems we have some confusion of terms going on.
To the poster: I would think 13's would be obtainable, especially with a converter! To really wake it up, put a nice set of heads and a good cam in that thing and then REALLY watch it shine!
08-24-2007, 01:01 AM
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Just a few points to add to (and hopefully save) this thread.
1. There have been lots of very close to stock fox bodied cars dip into the low 13's, even 12's. These are 302 powered cars, not 351W.
2. The 351W were not much more powerful than the stock 302HO. They were more powerful than the TRUCK 302, but the HO made very similar power figures. The torque numbers weren't much higher either to answer Warren's question.
3. The suspension WILL help the car get down the track faster. So will the 3.55 gears. Your converter is going to hurt you. A nice stall converter would really help.
4. A good friend of mine has been mid 13's with a pretty much bone stock '87 GT and gears. 13.6 to be exact. Many fox cars run 14's and 15, but there are "factory freaks" and "guys that can drive" that have gotten a lot better than that out of them.
My '87 T-Top went 14.2 when it was bone stock. Add electric fan, underdrives and full exhaust and the car went 13.8. That's still a stock 302 with a stock top-end on it.
Josh (StealthGT) just had his '89 notch run a 13.97 with a stock 302.
5. A 351W is heavier than a 302. They also don't have any better heads than a 302 does stock. The camshaft also sucks. This is assuming we are talking about a STOCK TRUCK 351W from the late 80's, early 90's. If we are talking about one out of a Crown Victoria, they were like 180HP, a fair bit less than the same year 302HO. Even with an intake and carb on it, you are still dealing with an engine that has crappy heads and is going to kill it's ability to rev. To take advantage of the added displacement, you need better cylinder heads.
A bigger engine doesn't magically mean a car is faster. It just means it has a bigger engine. The bigger engine typically has more POTENTIAL, but whether that potential is tapped or not depends on what's done to it to try and take advantage of it.
At the beginning of this thread, the given ET was between low 12's and low 13's, that's a HUGE rift. HIGH 12's and LOW 13's is a bit more realistic. It takes a fair bit of power to drop a second off an ET, typically something like a 100HP shot of nitrous sort of power.
And to clarify some stuff:
An engine with "top end work" typically means it's got heads, cam, intake. If it's got an intake, you say it's got an intake, not top-end work. Stock bottom end doesn't mean . There are lots of stock bottom-ended 302's consuming copious amounts of boost and nitrous that continue to take a beating and live. A stock bottom-ended 351W is no different. And stating it has a stock bottom isn't some sort of mystical thing either. Sure, it could have a stock bottom end, but it could also have a nice solid roller cam, AFR 225's and a Super Victor on it! Yeah, it's a stock bottom-ended 351W, but it's FAR FROM STOCK!!!! It seems we have some confusion of terms going on.
To the poster: I would think 13's would be obtainable, especially with a converter! To really wake it up, put a nice set of heads and a good cam in that thing and then REALLY watch it shine!
1. There have been lots of very close to stock fox bodied cars dip into the low 13's, even 12's. These are 302 powered cars, not 351W.
2. The 351W were not much more powerful than the stock 302HO. They were more powerful than the TRUCK 302, but the HO made very similar power figures. The torque numbers weren't much higher either to answer Warren's question.
3. The suspension WILL help the car get down the track faster. So will the 3.55 gears. Your converter is going to hurt you. A nice stall converter would really help.
4. A good friend of mine has been mid 13's with a pretty much bone stock '87 GT and gears. 13.6 to be exact. Many fox cars run 14's and 15, but there are "factory freaks" and "guys that can drive" that have gotten a lot better than that out of them.
My '87 T-Top went 14.2 when it was bone stock. Add electric fan, underdrives and full exhaust and the car went 13.8. That's still a stock 302 with a stock top-end on it.
Josh (StealthGT) just had his '89 notch run a 13.97 with a stock 302.
5. A 351W is heavier than a 302. They also don't have any better heads than a 302 does stock. The camshaft also sucks. This is assuming we are talking about a STOCK TRUCK 351W from the late 80's, early 90's. If we are talking about one out of a Crown Victoria, they were like 180HP, a fair bit less than the same year 302HO. Even with an intake and carb on it, you are still dealing with an engine that has crappy heads and is going to kill it's ability to rev. To take advantage of the added displacement, you need better cylinder heads.
A bigger engine doesn't magically mean a car is faster. It just means it has a bigger engine. The bigger engine typically has more POTENTIAL, but whether that potential is tapped or not depends on what's done to it to try and take advantage of it.
At the beginning of this thread, the given ET was between low 12's and low 13's, that's a HUGE rift. HIGH 12's and LOW 13's is a bit more realistic. It takes a fair bit of power to drop a second off an ET, typically something like a 100HP shot of nitrous sort of power.
And to clarify some stuff:
An engine with "top end work" typically means it's got heads, cam, intake. If it's got an intake, you say it's got an intake, not top-end work. Stock bottom end doesn't mean . There are lots of stock bottom-ended 302's consuming copious amounts of boost and nitrous that continue to take a beating and live. A stock bottom-ended 351W is no different. And stating it has a stock bottom isn't some sort of mystical thing either. Sure, it could have a stock bottom end, but it could also have a nice solid roller cam, AFR 225's and a Super Victor on it! Yeah, it's a stock bottom-ended 351W, but it's FAR FROM STOCK!!!! It seems we have some confusion of terms going on.
To the poster: I would think 13's would be obtainable, especially with a converter! To really wake it up, put a nice set of heads and a good cam in that thing and then REALLY watch it shine!
08-24-2007, 09:27 AM
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Oh I agree, especially if the person has very limited drag racing experience! I was HORRIBLE the first time at the track. The times I got were not power-shifted times, I've never power-shifted at the track, which means, the car could have been another few tenths faster. It has a lot more to do with how it's driven and who's driving than a lot of people give it credit for. What's under the hood is only a part of th equation.
08-24-2007, 02:02 PM
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no wonder this site doesn't see much action, you have to be at least 17 years of age because you drive a car, this arguement is a stupid as the arguements i had when i was like 10, "My Dad can beat up your Dad" .Holy , a bunch of hairy *** men have nothing better to do than rag on each others cars, get a life or a woman. Sites like this are here to help the mustang hobby and try to help others, not to try and shoot them down. And Termial Velocity i think Jon "Fireball" Arist is looking for a crew chief for his NMRA car, ill pass you name along to him, seeing you know the exact time any given car with any given engine combo is gonna run.
