The TPS "tweak" myth
03-06-2006, 05:29 PM
#1
The TPS "tweak" myth
This has been discussed MANY MANY times on a variety of forums and there have been people "in the know" (IE, people who work for SCT, Ford, designers of the TWEECER....etc) who have tried to get the message across that this is nothing more than a myth, yet it continues to propagate across message boards "set your TPS to .98" and the like.
This post is designed to dispell that myth and perhaps give an idea of why the myth exists to begin with.
Many years ago, the entire idea of "modifying" what was going on in the ECM was a very new thing, people were much more accustomed to working on Carbureted cars and knowledge of Computer-Controlled Fuel Injection systems was very limited.
Many people would gain a limited understanding of how part of the system (or its feeback devices, IE, sensors) functioned and would often design "performance" modifications around this limited understanding. This is how I think this entire myth came to be.
A TPS is a potentiometer, basically, its a variable resistance device. The ECM views a variety of feedback sensors in order to make adjustments on how the car runs and responds. The TPS simply tells the ECM where the throttle blade is in relation to where it was when closed. Obviously, the further open the blade is, the more timing the ECM will throw at the engine (over base) and the more fuel it will provide. Many people think that "tweaking" the TPS will cause the ECM to percieve that the blade is further open than it actually is, thus "seeing" WOT sooner as well as reach full advance sooner as well. This is a great theory, but unfortunately, its completely false.
When you turn your key on, the ECM quickly probes all the sensors in the system and then uses some of those values as "base" reference values. So, if you set your TPS voltage to .98 like people recommend, the ECM views that as closed and any value higher than that is relative to .98. BUT, if the TPS is at .52, THAT value is used as the closed value and any value higher than that is relative to .52, the advance curve and fuel curve ARE THE SAME and are relative to base in either instance. WOT is percieved at ~3.8 volts, this typically happens at 3/4 throttle, not actual WOT, so matting the pedal is matting the pedal, no matter what your "base" voltage for the TPS is.
Hopefully, people will find this information helpful. There is a lot of cool, factual information floating around about finding easy/cheap performance out of these cars, unfortunately, this "mod" isn't one of them.
This post is designed to dispell that myth and perhaps give an idea of why the myth exists to begin with.
Many years ago, the entire idea of "modifying" what was going on in the ECM was a very new thing, people were much more accustomed to working on Carbureted cars and knowledge of Computer-Controlled Fuel Injection systems was very limited.
Many people would gain a limited understanding of how part of the system (or its feeback devices, IE, sensors) functioned and would often design "performance" modifications around this limited understanding. This is how I think this entire myth came to be.
A TPS is a potentiometer, basically, its a variable resistance device. The ECM views a variety of feedback sensors in order to make adjustments on how the car runs and responds. The TPS simply tells the ECM where the throttle blade is in relation to where it was when closed. Obviously, the further open the blade is, the more timing the ECM will throw at the engine (over base) and the more fuel it will provide. Many people think that "tweaking" the TPS will cause the ECM to percieve that the blade is further open than it actually is, thus "seeing" WOT sooner as well as reach full advance sooner as well. This is a great theory, but unfortunately, its completely false.
When you turn your key on, the ECM quickly probes all the sensors in the system and then uses some of those values as "base" reference values. So, if you set your TPS voltage to .98 like people recommend, the ECM views that as closed and any value higher than that is relative to .98. BUT, if the TPS is at .52, THAT value is used as the closed value and any value higher than that is relative to .52, the advance curve and fuel curve ARE THE SAME and are relative to base in either instance. WOT is percieved at ~3.8 volts, this typically happens at 3/4 throttle, not actual WOT, so matting the pedal is matting the pedal, no matter what your "base" voltage for the TPS is.
Hopefully, people will find this information helpful. There is a lot of cool, factual information floating around about finding easy/cheap performance out of these cars, unfortunately, this "mod" isn't one of them.
No, Professional Products catered to this myth by releasing their BBK rip-off TB's with adjustable TPS's..........!!!!!!
03-26-2006, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
When you turn your key on, the ECM quickly probes all the sensors in the system and then uses some of those values as "base" reference values. So, if you set your TPS voltage to .98 like people recommend, the ECM views that as closed and any value higher than that is relative to .98. BUT, if the TPS is at .52, THAT value is used as the closed value and any value higher than that is relative to .52, the advance curve and fuel curve ARE THE SAME and are relative to base in either instance.
If that is so, it leads me to ask: what would happen if I were to have my foot on the gas when the ECM comes on? What if the pedal's at part throttle? What about to the floor? Would the values be completely out of whack until I turn the car off, then on again? How would the car handle acceleration?
Now I can't field-test this question yet myself (since my car is still sitting in storage), but would love to hear what anyone else has to say.
Any guinea pigs willing to try this out, in the meantime?
