Originally Posted by BTD

My point was that they have been trying to capture the "classic lines" of the mustang for a long time - and they all look the damn same. You could offer me a brand new mustang free, and I wouldn't take it. They are just trying too damn hard to be something, without a good understanding of what that something is.

Buyers today don't give a about classic mustangs, as most people buying new ones weren't alive, or even aware of the other mustangs when they were around.

Stop trying to be a muscle car, because their are no more muscle cars. The last muscle cars rolled off the line in the early 80's, now it's just cheap imitations to play on nostalgia

Originally Posted by Apocalypse Pony

GT350, Mustang GT, Hellcat, Camaro ZL1, Corvette Stingray, even the Raptor...all available to be ordered from your local dealers, all high horsepower muscle. I'm almost willing to bet the new Raptor has less body roll than any "muscle car" from the early 80's. lol

Hell, even the Ecoboost base Mustang makes 300hp, that was my 2006 GT's numbers, and that was scary fast.

OK, thats all I had to say.

Originally Posted by milner_7

Even to say Ford has been "trying" to capture the classic lines is a bit of a head scratcher. I feel they have done a great job with this even though they have gone in the s550 direction. You still see it and its working for all buyers new and old. The fact they out sell the competition year after year is proof.

Originally Posted by herbz

Being very partial to the 05-09 style ittook a while for the 10+ style to grow on me. I like the 15+ cars, especially that back end but I do find some of them just look too plain for a GT depending on what wheels and colour they are.

Mach 1 return rumours have swirled forever. I'd be curious to see what if anything it actually becomes.

Originally Posted by milner_7

Same can be said about any Mustang really, Stock 18inch wheels don't look good IMO and yeah some colours just don't pop. I think every Mustang GT should come with the performance Pack standard

Originally Posted by ChadStang

I really don't think you can call anything from the 80's a muscle car.

Originally Posted by Apocalypse Pony

I beg to differ, this is the golden age of the muscle car we're in right now. You've got more factory horsepower, exceptionally better handling and braking than was ever available in the past. There were no muscle cars in the 80's, because everything was choked back to 250hp with emissions controls, so it was all decal packages and body kits. Today, you have a number of domestics available with well over 500hp, right off the showroom floor, how is that not a muscle car?

Styling has been updated, and I think its a great tribute to those old classics to have some of the iconic styling cues get a modern refresh. When the retro S197 platform was introduced in 2005, it turned me into a Mustang fan.

I'm not discounting the classics, but I flat out think you're wrong in saying there are no muscle cars anymore, prices have changed for sure, but it was always that way.

Originally Posted by BTD

Horsepower does not a muscle car make. I shouldn't need to explain this to you, as you already know this. I understand that you are partial to the newer, being that you bought into that style - however the classics are the classics for a reason.

That you somehow think 250HP in the 80's is low is beyond me, 250HP is a TON of power, more than you ever need on the street, then or now. To suggest that the 80's was just decals is just flat out insulting. I get that you're into fuel injection and computerized auto trannys and all that, but really now A 4V HO 305 5 Speed with traction loc is just stickers ? That's just plain ignorant.

It's not about the horsepower numbers or stats on paper, it's about how they drive. I get to drive my car, a computer drives yours. There is a difference.