5.0 back in 2010??
02-26-2008, 11:58 PM
#1
5.0 back in 2010??
If this happens this is definately good for windsor!
02-21-08: In news this week about the Canadian Auto Workers Union and a proposed Ford Motor Company project to invest $600 million in the shuttered Windor, Ontario engine plant, telling details were dropped about what they would be building.
Buzz Hargrove, president of the Canadian Auto Workers union, says Ford is now weighing a project to reopen the plant that has been the birthplace of the “Windsor” engines longer than most enthusiasts have been alive. The plant closed last November, ending an era.
What is more exciting than hearing that the plant could open again is what they plan to build there. Hargrove said this, regarding the proposal:
“The best example of that is the 5-litre engine for the Ford plant in Windsor. We have an opportunity to win an engine in that facility. When Ford first started talking to us and the provincial and federal government about it, it was about a $350-million investment which would have led to about 300 jobs being created in a plant that closed in November of last year. And since that time, they’ve adapted that engine. And they’re going to utilize it in more vehicles than they initially planned. And the project now is an over $600-million investment, and possibly close to 600 jobs in the city of Windsor, in a local union, and a community, that are desperate for investment and jobs.”
This is further scuttle to back up the many rumors that the 2010 Mustang will debut with a new 5.0 liter V8. While this may not be breaking news, it backs up what we have been hearing. The news that the engine is going to be used in more vehicles than initially planned is also alluring. Besides the F-Series and the Mustang, what other vehicles would be used for this engine?
Time will tell!
Buzz Hargrove, president of the Canadian Auto Workers union, says Ford is now weighing a project to reopen the plant that has been the birthplace of the “Windsor” engines longer than most enthusiasts have been alive. The plant closed last November, ending an era.
What is more exciting than hearing that the plant could open again is what they plan to build there. Hargrove said this, regarding the proposal:
“The best example of that is the 5-litre engine for the Ford plant in Windsor. We have an opportunity to win an engine in that facility. When Ford first started talking to us and the provincial and federal government about it, it was about a $350-million investment which would have led to about 300 jobs being created in a plant that closed in November of last year. And since that time, they’ve adapted that engine. And they’re going to utilize it in more vehicles than they initially planned. And the project now is an over $600-million investment, and possibly close to 600 jobs in the city of Windsor, in a local union, and a community, that are desperate for investment and jobs.”
This is further scuttle to back up the many rumors that the 2010 Mustang will debut with a new 5.0 liter V8. While this may not be breaking news, it backs up what we have been hearing. The news that the engine is going to be used in more vehicles than initially planned is also alluring. Besides the F-Series and the Mustang, what other vehicles would be used for this engine?
Time will tell!
02-27-2008, 08:31 AM
#3
That will be a 5.0L displacement version of the current mod motor, or the new "Hurricane" engine series, which is also OHC. The pushrod 5.0 was dead as original equipment after 2001, don't hold your breath for it coming back. 
cheers
Ed N.
cheers
Ed N.
02-27-2008, 10:14 AM
#4
Keith I think this engine can handle 550hp no problem as saleen is using it in their H302 and H302SC.
I would absolutely love to see a pushrod 5.0 but like you said Ed I dont see that happening anytime soon.
“The 302 engine is the best engine that we have ever done,” states Rob Simons, Saleen Powertrain Lead. If the H302 has not harnessed enough horses for your taste, the engineering team at Saleen has added their patented twin screw intercooled supercharger to serve as the core for the H302SC giving it a pavement pounding 580Hp and 525 lb-ft of torque.
02-28-2008, 07:39 AM
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Mods are a waste of money. 5Ls are alot cheaper to build and make more power. Ford dropped the ball when they went mod.
Thats why GM is still pushrod and has a far superior engine LS1
Maybe Ford will go back one day
Thats why GM is still pushrod and has a far superior engine LS1
Maybe Ford will go back one day
02-28-2008, 11:07 AM
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That is good news.Been watching and reading stuff on the 'MODULAR" 5.0L for awhile now.
It will be good to say again......"Yeah,i own a 5.0L"!!
Not to make an arguement,but....Go buy an LS1 then.LOL!!I can tell you this with having friend that like the GM product,....how long will it last is what you got to ask yourself. 
The modualr motor accomplished more in a shorter time then the windsor pushrod did in it's years of running.
Yeah the modular is a little pricy,but doesn't take much to make her work either.They are smoother,and adapt well to blowers to as you will see threw the world wide web.It was as if Ford designed it that way on purpose.To bad they cheapped out on the connecting rods of the standard mod motors though .
They are both excellent motors,and they both have there good and bads.Both represent there eras well.
But i find that a lot of those that knock the mod motor,never experienced the mod motor,if they did,wasn't long enough worth a comment.I can at least say i have experienced both,the 5.0L for 6 years,and my now the 4.6L for almost 5 years,stock for stock,the mod will reign everytime,unless someone dosn't know how to drive it.The only thing i really miss about the 5.0L push rod,is the bottom end torque.Other then that,mod motor is way much more improved.
The engine block is squirted,which has a 4 bolt main capping,which runs along the side of the block,and on the cap side of the block,the intake is designed to have air flow to run under them,which helps the intake to run a cooler charge,the cams are overhead,which intern,helps the ease of higher rpm usage,plus gets rid of the valve trains weakest link,the push rod,no distributors,and the start of '99,no plug wires,the accessory pulley system is designed for less drag,so this way you don't have to delete the air conditioning to worry about that extra little ponies LOL!!There is probably more too....A lot of guys think the modular motor is nothing but a pile of mess in the engine compartement,it really isn't,move the wires,and it's another engine that is easier to maintain,and service when need to be without having to rip the whole engine apart to get to a cam(s),timing chains,ects...
The push rod engine has proven it's time,but so has the modular motor.Either way,either it is a push rod or modular,you can always tell when a mustang is near.
I'm glad Ford went to the overhead cam designed modular motor,and i am glad if Ford does brings back the 5.0L name,and displacement.Both have proven themselves.
And like i stated,this was not to create an arguement.Just wanted to give my opinion since i've been doing this Ford hot rod thing since i was 18,and now in my 30's.
It will be good to say again......"Yeah,i own a 5.0L"!!
Originally Posted by Nells5l
Mods are a waste of money. 5Ls are alot cheaper to build and make more power. Ford dropped the ball when they went mod.
Thats why GM is still pushrod and has a far superior engine LS1
Maybe Ford will go back one day
Thats why GM is still pushrod and has a far superior engine LS1
Maybe Ford will go back one day
The modualr motor accomplished more in a shorter time then the windsor pushrod did in it's years of running.
Yeah the modular is a little pricy,but doesn't take much to make her work either.They are smoother,and adapt well to blowers to as you will see threw the world wide web.It was as if Ford designed it that way on purpose.To bad they cheapped out on the connecting rods of the standard mod motors though
.They are both excellent motors,and they both have there good and bads.Both represent there eras well.
But i find that a lot of those that knock the mod motor,never experienced the mod motor,if they did,wasn't long enough worth a comment.I can at least say i have experienced both,the 5.0L for 6 years,and my now the 4.6L for almost 5 years,stock for stock,the mod will reign everytime,unless someone dosn't know how to drive it.The only thing i really miss about the 5.0L push rod,is the bottom end torque.Other then that,mod motor is way much more improved.
The engine block is squirted,which has a 4 bolt main capping,which runs along the side of the block,and on the cap side of the block,the intake is designed to have air flow to run under them,which helps the intake to run a cooler charge,the cams are overhead,which intern,helps the ease of higher rpm usage,plus gets rid of the valve trains weakest link,the push rod,no distributors,and the start of '99,no plug wires,the accessory pulley system is designed for less drag,so this way you don't have to delete the air conditioning to worry about that extra little ponies LOL!!There is probably more too....A lot of guys think the modular motor is nothing but a pile of mess in the engine compartement,it really isn't,move the wires,and it's another engine that is easier to maintain,and service when need to be without having to rip the whole engine apart to get to a cam(s),timing chains,ects...
The push rod engine has proven it's time,but so has the modular motor.Either way,either it is a push rod or modular,you can always tell when a mustang is near.
I'm glad Ford went to the overhead cam designed modular motor,and i am glad if Ford does brings back the 5.0L name,and displacement.Both have proven themselves.
And like i stated,this was not to create an arguement.Just wanted to give my opinion since i've been doing this Ford hot rod thing since i was 18,and now in my 30's.
02-28-2008, 11:32 AM
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That is good news.Been watching and reading stuff on the 'MODULAR" 5.0L for awhile now.
It will be good to say again......"Yeah,i own a 5.0L"!!
Not to make an arguement,but....Go buy an LS1 then.LOL!!I can tell you this with having friend that like the GM product,....how long will it last is what you got to ask yourself.
The modualr motor accomplished more in a shorter time then the windsor pushrod did in it's years of running.
Yeah the modular is a little pricy,but doesn't take much to make her work either.They are smoother,and adapt well to blowers to as you will see threw the world wide web.It was as if Ford designed it that way on purpose.To bad they cheapped out on the connecting rods of the standard mod motors though .
They are both excellent motors,and they both have there good and bads.Both represent there eras well.
But i find that a lot of those that knock the mod motor,never experienced the mod motor,if they did,wasn't long enough worth a comment.I can at least say i have experienced both,the 5.0L for 6 years,and my now the 4.6L for almost 5 years,stock for stock,the mod will reign everytime,unless someone dosn't know how to drive it.The only thing i really miss about the 5.0L push rod,is the bottom end torque.Other then that,mod motor is way much more improved.
The engine block is squirted,which has a 4 bolt main capping,which runs along the side of the block,and on the cap side of the block,the intake is designed to have air flow to run under them,which helps the intake to run a cooler charge,the cams are overhead,which intern,helps the ease of higher rpm usage,plus gets rid of the valve trains weakest link,the push rod,no distributors,and the start of '99,no plug wires,the accessory pulley system is designed for less drag,so this way you don't have to delete the air conditioning to worry about that extra little ponies LOL!!There is probably more too....A lot of guys think the modular motor is nothing but a pile of mess in the engine compartement,it really isn't,move the wires,and it's another engine that is easier to maintain,and service when need to be without having to rip the whole engine apart to get to a cam(s),timing chains,ects...
The push rod engine has proven it's time,but so has the modular motor.Either way,either it is a push rod or modular,you can always tell when a mustang is near.
I'm glad Ford went to the overhead cam designed modular motor,and i am glad if Ford does brings back the 5.0L name,and displacement.Both have proven themselves.
And like i stated,this was not to create an arguement.Just wanted to give my opinion since i've been doing this Ford hot rod thing since i was 18,and now in my 30's.
It will be good to say again......"Yeah,i own a 5.0L"!!
Not to make an arguement,but....Go buy an LS1 then.LOL!!I can tell you this with having friend that like the GM product,....how long will it last is what you got to ask yourself.
The modualr motor accomplished more in a shorter time then the windsor pushrod did in it's years of running.
Yeah the modular is a little pricy,but doesn't take much to make her work either.They are smoother,and adapt well to blowers to as you will see threw the world wide web.It was as if Ford designed it that way on purpose.To bad they cheapped out on the connecting rods of the standard mod motors though
.They are both excellent motors,and they both have there good and bads.Both represent there eras well.
But i find that a lot of those that knock the mod motor,never experienced the mod motor,if they did,wasn't long enough worth a comment.I can at least say i have experienced both,the 5.0L for 6 years,and my now the 4.6L for almost 5 years,stock for stock,the mod will reign everytime,unless someone dosn't know how to drive it.The only thing i really miss about the 5.0L push rod,is the bottom end torque.Other then that,mod motor is way much more improved.
The engine block is squirted,which has a 4 bolt main capping,which runs along the side of the block,and on the cap side of the block,the intake is designed to have air flow to run under them,which helps the intake to run a cooler charge,the cams are overhead,which intern,helps the ease of higher rpm usage,plus gets rid of the valve trains weakest link,the push rod,no distributors,and the start of '99,no plug wires,the accessory pulley system is designed for less drag,so this way you don't have to delete the air conditioning to worry about that extra little ponies LOL!!There is probably more too....A lot of guys think the modular motor is nothing but a pile of mess in the engine compartement,it really isn't,move the wires,and it's another engine that is easier to maintain,and service when need to be without having to rip the whole engine apart to get to a cam(s),timing chains,ects...
The push rod engine has proven it's time,but so has the modular motor.Either way,either it is a push rod or modular,you can always tell when a mustang is near.
I'm glad Ford went to the overhead cam designed modular motor,and i am glad if Ford does brings back the 5.0L name,and displacement.Both have proven themselves.
And like i stated,this was not to create an arguement.Just wanted to give my opinion since i've been doing this Ford hot rod thing since i was 18,and now in my 30's.
MOD motors have accomplished nothing, Ford had to put thousand of $$$$ into Mod racing just to draw up interest. They are only smoother because they have a neutral balance as do ls1
Adapting to blowers now that is just a stupid comment. any motor adapts to blowers or turbos. The fact is they don't make much N/A power so the only affordable choice is a blower. No car Manufac. build engines with the thought of blowers at later use. Its either done at the time or NOT.
I have also had both and choose to go back to the 5.0L
You comments on intake,overhead cams,valvetrain noise etc are not even close. Ford changed all those things for different reasons.
The build motors around Mileage and emissions so all those 4.6 perks are not as you claim.
A mod makes the power it does because it has a much better flowing head and intake and larger cam that a stock 5.0L
Give that pushrod the same head and cam and its GAME OVER.
Why did ford call a MOD a Mod ??? when its really a Honda in a V8
Cut it in half and what do you have? HONDA
Btw how much have you put into your N/A mod and whats the $$$ valve for those e.t.s??
Not trying to argue but mods should of never showed up. Ford just won't admit they screwed up and spent MILLIONS on the mod.
BTW a LS1 will lay a BEATING on any mod period stock and even worse if its modded.
Just my .02cents
02-28-2008, 07:35 PM
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Your eally want to know what i have put into my mod motor.
Hum,a set of cams,a drop in K&N,and a tune from a very good friend,then the usual bolt ons like mid pipe,cat back,and gears,she runs 13.1's all day at 106 average mph with the average of 1.8 60 foots on a set of low hard *** Eibach spotline springs.With the proper suspension,and the right tire to drop my 60 foots,with that mph,i'm good for mid 12's.Not bad if you ask me for a very limited bolt on/budget modular powered GT that is full weight!
If Ford thought they screwed up,i don't understand why they keep pushing it forward then LOL!!
Not here to argue,but times change,and times move forward.
Hum,a set of cams,a drop in K&N,and a tune from a very good friend,then the usual bolt ons like mid pipe,cat back,and gears,she runs 13.1's all day at 106 average mph with the average of 1.8 60 foots on a set of low hard *** Eibach spotline springs.With the proper suspension,and the right tire to drop my 60 foots,with that mph,i'm good for mid 12's.Not bad if you ask me for a very limited bolt on/budget modular powered GT that is full weight!
If Ford thought they screwed up,i don't understand why they keep pushing it forward then LOL!!
Not here to argue,but times change,and times move forward.
