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Old 01-26-2006, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NXGHOST
Peeps do not buy cars based on a Movie. How many movies are made based on a domestic car? Dukes of hazard, Gone in 60 sec, two lane black top.... I ca go on forever, have you ever imagined a import company sitting there "This is why we don't sell cars... We need to make a movie with OUR cars in it! Besides, there were domestic cars in both F&F movies also.
"Peeps" as you referred to them as DO often make decisions based on marketing (that's why we have ads on TV), and if a movie MARKETS a car (or group of them, does the green Mustang from Bullit ring a bell?) it does in fact help sell cars. Gone in 60 seconds was a great example and actually did re-create an interest in the 60's/70's Mustangs, and yes, Dukes of Hazzard DID promote an interest in the Charger. There WERE domestic cars in the Slow and the Ricey series, you are correct, I remember a Saleen Mustang getting run-over by a Kenworth, a Lightning getting used as a parts-getter and two-antique Muscle cars (Yenko Camaro, stock, 425HP SAE GROSS and a Hemi something) getting beat by ricers on spray. The only domestic that "did well" was the Charger in the first one, but hell, it blew up! Those movies BLASTED domestics BAD and the 3rd one (featuring the '60's Mustang with a Nissan TT I6 in it) is taking that over the top!

I bought my first import (VW Jetta) after repeated Failures of my Domestics daily drivers while watching several family members roll 450K+ on their VW's without ever having a major repair. My 1995 Jetta feels like a brand new car at 170K. The last straw was when my sister borrowed my 2002 Dodge Dakota for a week and I drove her 460K 1997 Golf to work. It had less rattles and drove smoother than my new truck! Heck, my previous 10 domestic daily drivers all rattled like a can and almost every dam luxury in it no longer functioned. Sure as shiat, every dam feture (Power options) still worked in the Golf.
That's because Volkswagen's are very well built cars, my auto mechanics teacher was on his 2nd one, it was FREE because he rolled 1,000,000 miles on the first one and so they gave him a 2nd one free! Both were diesels. Volkswagen's aren't featured in that triad of movies though, so they aren't really relevant to what I'm saying. There is not a mass insurgence of german cars in North America, even though I would probaby say they are the best built cars in the world.

Fact: My 2002 Dodge Dakota has more rust on it than my original 1995 Jetta. That pissses me off.

Not saying Imports dont break but how many domestics and money does a guy have to go through before he wants to try something else?

Import companies also employ thousands of Canadian Families and are expanding even more.
Yes, they are employing "thousands" but the big three employ HUNDREDS of thousands, there is a HUGE difference there!

I wont buy new again anyway so in reality I support no company. I took the hit once when I bought my 2002 Dakota for $40K. I tried to trade it in in 2004 and the most I was offered was $12,000! It had 50,000K on it.......
That is a pretty wise decision, I don't buy new either, I own three Ford's, but they are all used. My parents bought both of their vehicles new (2000 Expedition Eddie Bauer, 2003 Lincoln Town Car Cartier), but they typically keep a car for at least 10 years.......so for them, and people who have the money, knowing that you are the only person who has driven this vehicle, I'm sure provides some piece of mind.

I do however see Domestic companies being slapped wit the reality hand, they will now be forced to be more competitive.
Yes, but this has been the case between the 3 of them for a while now, GM was having some major quality issues (before the import thing happened) and started losing some serious sales......this new phenomenon is just the icing on the cake for GM and pushed things over the edge. Its hard to be competitive with companies who's headquarters exist in an ecomony who's dollar is a small fraction of our own, who pay their employees PENNIES to manufacture parts, then to appear "Proud of North America" create a few assembly lines here and assemble vehicles from those parts that were manufactured for pennies by people being paid pennies over here and don't have 40 years of union/health-care/pension dues that they are paying on in the North American market, so they can afford to sell their cars cheaper while still making off with incredible profits. They are making USD/CAD here and when that money goes back to their shores, the value of it is insane! The import car companies have far less in terms of overall expenses (not including BMW, Mercedes or any of the European cars in this "generalization") because most of the CONTENT of their cars is made in places like Korea and China where it can be manufactured for very little money.



Funny thing to add, I was walking the line today and saw a thing,
A guy reading the paper about the ford layoff's WHILE HE is working. He was installing main bearings.....
Where do you work? That's just plain hidious

One last thing... Why is is never mentioned when an impost plant openes up in North america? No-one guves thanks to the families they employ, they just blame them when a domestic plant closes.


Thats all!
Because the positives in terms of employment opportunities this provides is offset by the number of jobs it will end up costing one of the big three, who at this point, are FAR MORE a part of our economy than any of these import companies are, which is the point I was trying to get across in my original post. Hitler was instrumental in providing a car for every German Family, the Volkswagen, the "People's Car", now that doesn't make the Volkswagen a bad car (as we've already discussed) but that doesn't mean that the fundemental move behind this (uniting Germany, bribing the German people) was a good one.

Just because Import car companies create assembly plants over here in order to appeal to the common American/Canadian to make them feel like they are interested in "helping out" North America, doesn't mean that is actually the case.
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Old 01-27-2006, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
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Volkswagen's aren't featured in that triad of movies though, so they aren't really relevant to what I'm saying. .
Who can forget the Jetta getting owned by the S2000? They hit the spray 20 times! LOL



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That's right! Those movies have ONE message on this subject:

Japanese cars = teh win! anything else = teh sux!
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Someone needs to make a reality F&F. None if this bridge jumping, color coordinated exhaust flame BS.
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But then they'd discover they AREN'T the fastest cars in the world and that a Honda B16 lasts about a week making 600HP! And of course that is contrary to the message they have already delivered time and time again!

Wait a minute, you mean can't pull a "General Lee" off a bridge, fall through the air 30ft and drive away? LIES! They did it in the movie, its gotta be true!
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