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About to buy a Roush Mustang
Hello everyone!
I'm new to these threads, and did a bit of searching, but couldn't find what I'm looking for. I'm hoping you guys can help me out here, or point me in the right direction. I'm about to buy a pre-owned 2008 Roush Stage 2 Ford Mustang GT, that has been upgraded a second time with the 427R powertrain, and wheel/brake upgrades. The Roush Stage 2 kit was installed at a Roush shop, while the 427 upgrades were not. The car seems to be in immaculate condition, however I have not taken it out for a test drive yet, or taken it into a Ford dealer to do a quality check, dyno test, etc. Since this car has been upgraded, and a lot of parts aren't stock, I thought I should come to you guys and ask for your expertise. What are some things I need to be aware of before buying this car? I'm aware that these cars are expensive to maintain, and upkeep, but at this moment, before I make the final purchase, what are some things I should check? What are things that can easily break down, or go wrong on this car? Thank you for your time. |
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Ok, here are my thoughts. What 'roush' shop did the work? I wasnt aware one existed.
When dealing with a newer car that may retain some warranty such as the '08 may, I would expect no less than: 1) receipts 2) carfax / carproof. is this car a US car? If so, I say avoid it. 3) its a modified ford. Know now that there really isnt any decent shops around. They are nice looking machines, but are you stuck on Ford? https://www.cmoc.ca/attachment.php?a...ine=1331234158 Better yet, are you stuck on a modified Ford? Go test drive an SRT8 charger or something, you might like what you see and it wont be modified. This is similarly priced to the roush above.. https://www.cmoc.ca/attachment.php?a...ine=1331234158 imo, way cooler. |
What's wrong with a Ford? You make it sound bad without giving any reasoning behind it. I've always had a thing with mustangs and now is my chance to finally buy one, that's why.
I don't want an SRT8, I have no need for an SUV. I'm really not sure if you're taking this seriously or not. |
Also, it's not a US car, I'm buying from Canada. What's wrong with a US car, can you please elaborate?
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Originally Posted by ElectroTurk
(Post 173278)
What's wrong with a Ford?
Originally Posted by ElectroTurk
(Post 173278)
You make it sound bad without giving any reasoning behind it. I've always had a thing with mustangs and now is my chance to finally buy one, that's why.
But if you like the modified roush, then by all means.
Originally Posted by ElectroTurk
(Post 173278)
I don't want an SRT8, I have no need for an SUV.
Originally Posted by ElectroTurk
(Post 173278)
I'm really not sure if you're taking this seriously or not.
Originally Posted by ElectroTurk
(Post 173279)
Also, it's not a US car, I'm buying from Canada. What's wrong with a US car, can you please elaborate?
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Thank you for the response. It was the deal that caught my attention to this particular mustang.
The price was affordable for the condition it was in, with the upgrades it had. I just came here to see if there were things I should look into specifically with this model before buying. |
Originally Posted by ElectroTurk
(Post 173285)
Thank you for the response. It was the deal that caught my attention to this particular mustang.
The price was affordable for the condition it was in, with the upgrades it had. I just came here to see if there were things I should look into specifically with this model before buying. If you like the Roush, go for it. If it were me I certainly would due diligence some of the things I mentioned like the receipts, car fax and overall history of the car. When you say deal do you mean smoking deal or just what you are willing to pay for the car type of deal? Good luck with the purchase. I am sure a few others will chime in with what exactly and specifically to look for in that model. Note, I believe there were also some recalls for the airbag and headlamps on the 2008 Mustang. Perhaps they have been covered??? Ford Inspection is key. |
Definitely going to take it in for an inspection. I didn't know about the recalls, thank you.
The deal was $29,000 CAD for the car with 30,000 km on it, and all the upgrades. The seller is an older gentleman that has no need for a sports car anymore. I was looking online, and I found a lot of used 2008 mustangs with more kilometers on it go for around $20,000 Cad, so another $10,000 for the upgrades, little use, and perfect condition seem to be a good deal in my books. |
I think you are chasing after a fine example of a modded Mustang as Roush has been around for a few years to say the least. In fact if I did not purchase the car I have now Roush would have been next on my hit list. I think that since the car belonged to an older gentleman it more than likely has been well cared for. As an example I am closing in on 50 fast and the car has been literally babied i.e. no spinning of the tires, no hard launches 3850 kilometres with 219 coats of wax/polish well you get the idea.
The only thing I would do is take the car to a 3rd party Ford dealer and have him go through the car thoroughly. Sure it will cost you some money but to me it would be cheap insurance as you are spending roughly 30k. Good luck and I hope it all goes well. |
Yes sir! I'll probably go in this weekend to get the car inspected. Thanks for the input guys, please keep them coming!!!
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I think the 427R's have the M90 superchager, supposed to be a very reliable blower and if it was put on when the car was new the car retains some of its power train warranty. with that blower you'll make 427 crank hp, enough to probably beat that SRT8, haha.
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Originally Posted by def67
(Post 173326)
I think the 427R's have the M90 superchager, supposed to be a very reliable blower and if it was put on when the car was new the car retains some of its power train warranty. with that blower you'll make 427 crank hp, enough to probably beat that SRT8, haha.
The roush would likely get trampled by the '12 Cherokee SRT. :LOL: :wink: The m90 is known for coupler issues I believe, I could be wrong. Fast Ed or someone else may know. I am happy he's just not looking at a fox. That '08 Roush is certainly sharp looking and has some technology behind unlike those old tin can foxes :D |
Originally Posted by def67
(Post 173326)
I think the 427R's have the M90 superchager, supposed to be a very reliable blower and if it was put on when the car was new the car retains some of its power train warranty. with that blower you'll make 427 crank hp, enough to probably beat that SRT8, haha.
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I would be very interested in Fast Eds opinion of the m90....
Havent read too much about it though since its a few years down the road anyway. |
Ya and those cherokees are pretty wild, but if I was to buy anything dodge SRT8 it would be the challenger for sure. Jeeps are for off roading!
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Originally Posted by 2tone
(Post 173329)
Stock 2008 charger makes about 425 HP from the 6.1 Hemi. If you added a vortech to the 6.1 it bumps it from 425 to around 560 and from around 410 tq to 510 tq but you are paying a bit more for the srt8 from 2008.
The roush would likely get trampled by the '12 Cherokee SRT. :LOL: :wink: The m90 is known for coupler issues I believe, I could be wrong. Fast Ed or someone else may know. I am happy he's just not looking at a fox. That '08 Roush is certainly sharp looking and has some technology behind unlike those old tin can foxes :D How about a 12 Roush vs a 12 Cherokee. Compare the latest to the latest. Last time I checked this was still a Mustang Forum. |
dont forget only US built roushs prior to 2010 have serial numbers..canadian cars modified as roushs are still just modified GTs
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Originally Posted by ChadStang
(Post 173347)
How about a 12 Roush vs a 12 Cherokee. Compare the latest to the latest. Last time I checked this was still a Mustang Forum.
I forgot to add, I personally love the 427R look, I'd be all over one for a good price. All that matters to me is even if you buy an 07 or 08 it'll still take down a new Camaro SS or Challenger 392. |
To me a 4x4 should be capable of off-road duty
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Originally Posted by def67
(Post 173345)
Ya and those cherokees are pretty wild, but if I was to buy anything dodge SRT8 it would be the challenger for sure. Jeeps are for off roading!
Originally Posted by ChadStang
(Post 173347)
How about a 12 Roush vs a 12 Cherokee. Compare the latest to the latest. Last time I checked this was still a Mustang Forum.
I believe there is something to be said about buying newer, unmodified or atleast modified with warranty. Chad, don't get so bent. If you can't hang with my opinion perhaps you would better serve your mod time over on another forum where the iron fist rules where when the sheep don't all 'baaa' the same way the mods get all angry kitty. :tup
Originally Posted by Bullittmustang
(Post 173353)
dont forget only US built roushs prior to 2010 have serial numbers..canadian cars modified as roushs are still just modified GTs
Originally Posted by herbz
(Post 173378)
I'm glad somebody said it. He asked if a Roush was a good idea not what Dodge he should buy.
Originally Posted by herbz
(Post 173378)
I forgot to add, I personally love the 427R look, I'd be all over one for a good price. All that matters to me is even if you buy an 07 or 08 it'll still take down a new Camaro SS or Challenger 392.
Anyhow, 2008 427r Track Pack link Jack Roush knows a thing or two about racing and Mustangs. His road racing career includes more than 110 wins and 20 national championships, and this vast expertise is evident throughout the ROUSH 427R Trak Pak. Designed for the daily driver who enjoys pushing his car to the limits on open track days, the ROUSH 427R Trak Pak Mustang has plenty of specialized content to accommodate the unique needs of those who like driving up to the edge on the racetrack in a safe, controlled environment. With the addition of the intercooled ROUSHcharger™ the 427R Trak Pak Mustang has 435 horsepower and 400 lb.-ft. of torque, plenty of power to quickly get up to speed on the straightaways. The cooling system has been enhanced with a black bar high flow front grille and radiator cooling shields. There is a functional strut tower brace under the hood to help strengthen the chassis and decrease unwanted twisting. The suspension system has been completely revamped to easily manage the twists and turns of a road course. The ROUSH 427R Trak Pak suspension includes adjustable front and rear shocks, front and rear springs, front and rear stabilization bars, front and rear jounce bumpers and adjustable camber/caster plates. To whoa this pony down ROUSH adds 6-piston front calipers with 14-inch, two-piece slotted front rotors and slotted rear rotors. The brake pads are replaced with high-performance racing quality versions, and the new ROUSH brake cooling system and high temperature brake fluid will ensure that the brakes will be ready when you need them the most. The ROUSH three-piece aerobody kit gives the car a menacing look as it roars past the other cars on the track, and consists of a front fascia, front chin spoiler and hood scoop. The car rides on 18-inch forged wheels painted a dark charcoal and mounted to ultra-performance tires for maximum grip on the racetrack. The functional hood pins, unique graphics and badging add to the overall styling of the car. Inside the cockpit the driver will immediately notice the addition of the new three-gauge dash pod with engine oil temperature, coolent temperature and a boost gauge. A shift light has also been integrated into this dash pod as well. The ROUSH sport leather seating, short throw shifter with retro-style ball, and four-piece performance pedal kit help to round out the interior styling. |
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Originally Posted by herbz
(Post 173378)
I'm glad somebody said it. He asked if a Roush was a good idea not what Dodge he should buy.
I forgot to add, I personally love the 427R look, I'd be all over one for a good price. All that matters to me is even if you buy an 07 or 08 it'll still take down a new Camaro SS or Challenger 392. Here's a picture I have that the owner sent me in an email during our negotiations: Attachment 26029 I think it stool looks amazing. I never thought the black on black stripes would look so good. |
Yea, that is hella sexy.
I love verts :p |
Originally Posted by 2tone
(Post 173398)
Yea, that is hella sexy.
I love verts :p edit: just came to me after the post: vert = convertible... duh >.< |
Originally Posted by ElectroTurk
(Post 173400)
verts?
edit: just came to me after the post: vert = convertible... duh >.< Its really nice, anymore pictures? |
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Yup, here's a some more. I have a bunch, but don't feel like adding them all right now.
https://www.cmoc.ca/attachment.php?a...ine=1331314191 Attachment 26025 Attachment 26026 Attachment 26027 Attachment 26028 |
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Ok, my friend found this 2011 Mustang. Judging by the 5.0 tag on the side, it's the 5.0 Mustang GT. He found this at a Ford dealership. It was the demo car, and has about 20,000 km on it, and is selling it for $34,000 CAD plus taxes (there was a bit of haggling to bring down the price).
It's backed by a 3 year bumper-to-bumper warranty. What do you guys think of this? It has the Roush body kit (from what my friend told me), but none of the performance parts, just the body kit. What do you think about these cars? What's good about them? What's bad. My understanding is it has 412hp, which isn't a big difference from the 435 of the 2008 I showed. What do you guys think? 2011 with warranty, or 2008 with performance parts? https://www.cmoc.ca/attachment.php?a...ine=1331323237 |
I installed a Roush M90 kit on spouses 05 convertible, OMG it was a completely different Beast as in power, speed and sound, That S/C would scream! It was a Very Very fun car, the power came on quicker than my shelby! I had no problems with the coupler and didn't hear about any. If anything with my research it was a very "safe" mod with proven, positive results for the 4.6L S197 hence the warranty offered!
Fast forward to the new Coyote (5.0l) which my friend has, and all I can say is go for for the newer model! With just a CAI and tune that Mustang is a screamer, I can't imagine what results a S/C or turbo would provide, I would say many smiles per miles! In the end shop around and find the newest model you can afford, I'm sure you will be happy with either but, the 5.0l would be my pick!(having been there done that)! Cheers Mike |
Sounds good, I'll probably pick up that 2011 5.0 GT then. I figured newer is better.
A couple reasons why I'd like the new one over the old one: 1) it's new (duh!) 2) better mileage 3) I don't have to baby it as much, and I can use it in the winter! 4) warranty 5) upkeep and maintenance won't be as expensive since there's no performance parts 6) slightly better insurance rates 7) it's sexy 8) has pretty much the same horsepower (and it's stock!) 9) apparently with 2011 models (and onward) Ford was able to compensate for the live rear axle, making the handling a lot better. 10) did I mention it's sexy? |
11. ITS A CONVERTIBLE!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats! The Saleen is a very nice car but the 5.0L IMO is the better choice and to top it all off it's a CONVERTIBLE the best of both worlds! |
Yes sir! Thank you.
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I would chase after the Roush myself as they are limited production cars
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Originally Posted by 2tone
(Post 173381)
Yea, that's the common gripe about seeing the srt8 jeep. You certainly can't offroad the '12 Cherokee and most hardcore jeep guys will say the Jeep belongs on the trail.
Gonna take a stage 3 Roush 2012 to hang with the Cherokee. I mean a stock GT at 412 HP is pretty slick still and the stage 3 Roush Premier Edition is even better at 540 hp and 465 tq. The TQ numbers are less than the SRT but SRT can thank that 6.4 :tup I believe there is something to be said about buying newer, unmodified or atleast modified with warranty. Chad, don't get so bent. If you can't hang with my opinion perhaps you would better serve your mod time over on another forum where the iron fist rules where when the sheep don't all 'baaa' the same way the mods get all angry kitty. :tup Props for that info. That is something I didn't know :tup And, I certainly gave ontopic mustang related feedback. So take a walk herbz. You have nothing to add but to gripe about my comments here. Perhaps you should contribute something a bit more than..... How insightful. Anyhow, 2008 427r Track Pack link https://www.cmoc.ca/attachment.php?a...ine=1331306987 |
Originally Posted by ElectroTurk
(Post 173411)
Ok, my friend found this 2011 Mustang. Judging by the 5.0 tag on the side, it's the 5.0 Mustang GT. He found this at a Ford dealership. It was the demo car, and has about 20,000 km on it, and is selling it for $34,000 CAD plus taxes (there was a bit of haggling to bring down the price).
It's backed by a 3 year bumper-to-bumper warranty. What do you guys think of this? It has the Roush body kit (from what my friend told me), but none of the performance parts, just the body kit. What do you think about these cars? What's good about them? What's bad. My understanding is it has 412hp, which isn't a big difference from the 435 of the 2008 I showed. What do you guys think? 2011 with warranty, or 2008 with performance parts? https://www.cmoc.ca/attachment.php?a...ine=1331323237 |
I called them. I'll be going to take a look at it tomorrow. From my understanding, its a demo car, so they're selling it really cheap!
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Originally Posted by ElectroTurk
(Post 173463)
I called them. I'll be going to take a look at it tomorrow. From my understanding, its a demo car, so they're selling it really cheap!
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good call sir
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Originally Posted by ChadStang
(Post 173459)
I didn't get "bent", I just don't understand why you would suggest a Jeep Cherokee to someone that came in asking our opinion on a Mustang. I don't plan on leaving here because of your opinions either.
Hopefully you can now understand.
Originally Posted by ElectroTurk
(Post 173463)
I called them. I'll be going to take a look at it tomorrow. From my understanding, its a demo car, so they're selling it really cheap!
Originally Posted by ChadStang
(Post 173465)
My guess is that it's a lease buyback.
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I would take any newer Mustang over the Cherokee SRT8. They are just fugly in my opinion, they are fast off of the line, but from 60 mph and up not that great. I guess the AWD helps them off the line though.
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Originally Posted by 2tone
(Post 173486)
The Roush had a nicer look than the 2011 by miles. But, the 2011 gets warranty which is certainly worth something.
And if that is the case he needs to make sure there is a carfax / carproof. If he's buying it from a Ford dealer, even better but if its one of these small off lease scam dealers run away, especially from Queens Auto Group Inc. I bought the car today. Personally I think the 2011 looks stunning, and way better than the Roush look of the 2008. I went into the dealership, an authorized Ford dealership (usually not open on Saturdays, but the guy was there to help me out today since I called in yesterday), and drove this car for an hour or two to get a real feel for the thing. I fell in love, and was shaking with excitement after. Initially, with all the options, this car was about $55,000, and after taxes and whatnot would be $60,000. They were selling it for $37,000 plus taxes, and after much haggling, I brought the price down to $32,500 plus tax, which is $500 LESS than what the dealership got it for! This car was a demo car, so other people test drove it, and the manager used it a few times as well. It has been taken care of, nothing repaired yet. It has about 10,000km on, and still has the 3 year bumper-to-bumper warranty, and this thing is in mint condition. Apparently, Ford is really conservative about the HP they advertise (412 HP on this stock model), and when they dyno tested it, it got closer to 460HP (I didn't see the paperwork, but I didn't really care much about that anyway). It does have a Roush body kit (spoiler, side skirts, side scoops, hood scoop, etc.), and a Roush air intake system. Now I just gotta get my customized plates, inform the insurance company, and the car will be delivered on Monday, after they do a quality inspection, and clean/polish the car! I'll post pics soon. |
Congrats dude, that's a very nice car you got there :tup
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