Best bang for your buck Mustang upgrade
01-01-2010, 10:33 AM
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OK,
No matter what filter you use there comes a point when a MAF needs to be cleaned. Everyone I know who runs either NA or Supercharged or turbo cars run a K&N filter or similar. K&N themselves have been fighting this falicy and have said the same as noted above in my last post. If you don't like using them that's your choice, don't trash it just because you personally don't like them.
No matter what filter you use there comes a point when a MAF needs to be cleaned. Everyone I know who runs either NA or Supercharged or turbo cars run a K&N filter or similar. K&N themselves have been fighting this falicy and have said the same as noted above in my last post. If you don't like using them that's your choice, don't trash it just because you personally don't like them.
It's not that I don't like them, I run a K&N on my winter beaters that DON'T have a MAF, and I bet you if you walk down the street and ask every car owner what a MAF is I bet you will see that only 1 out of 25 people know what it is.
If K&N didn't use the oil I might use it, but once you hold a K&N up beside a AMSOil filter in the light you can actually see the difference between the two. New VS. New you can see day light threw the K&N and not any from the AMSOil....
You need to understand that I don't bash products I just point people in the right direction to the BETTER products...
And all & all I think the price difference between the two is not much, might even be less but don't quote me on that one.
I'm only telling people this from expierance, People like myself that have a very expencive MAF or any aftermarket MAF want to take care of them....so in that case run a better filter.
If people don't believe me do the test like I did and they will soon see what filter is the better product.
Hope you understand what i'm getting at, have a good day
11-21-2010, 08:53 AM
#33
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plus one...and unless you are running 400 horse the stock airbox is fine..just pu in a kn drop in
02-06-2011, 05:54 AM
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Didn't see any 2.3 Turbo advice so I copied and pasted some info from another thread on here....
I'm probably necroposting but here goes.
I have an 85 Turbo Coupe that is replacing the SVO as my race car [which isnow stock and for sale]. Anyways, 85 TC made 175 HP, and had a bit hotter cam in them same as the 85.5-86 SVOs did, and the TC still kept the ,63 turbine housing where the SVOs got the smaller more restrictive .48 turbine [both were T3 turbo.
87 / 88 brought better electronics like mentioned, but a smaller IHI turbo, and wentback to the smaller non SVO / 85-86 TC cam. Merkurs used this same TC/SVO cam hence the 175 HP NON intercooled rating they had.
My 85 TC with: L series EEC and large vam from 88 TC, cone filter, ported E6 ex mani, stock open down pipe, a line pulled off to run 18 psi, ET streets, skinnies [T Bird spares of all things lol], and bypass the PS pump with a short belt went 13.66 @ 99 MPH.
Fuel pump, regulator, injectors, turbo, intercooler, motor top to bottom, trans, clutch, 3.45 7 1/2" rear, were stock. We added a gallon of 112 to 1/4 of ultra 94 because I knew the car was going a tad lean and well, you can band aid a lot of stuff with race gas.
Everyone says vids or it didn't happen lol so here ya go
YouTube - zzzz10
Ford put SO much potential in the 2.3L turbo car combo that is already in there and people rarely use it! All these engines need to run a solid 12 in a 3000 lb race weight Mustang, even a IHI equipped motor [i've done it] are:
-A HEALTHY running motor with w/ a tune up.
-5 sp
-3.55 or 3.73s, even stock 3.45 will get it done in the early cars [3.45s went 12s in my SVO..]
-Later 87/88 TC EEC or 85.5-86 SVO EEC TC ones are common and cheap.
-Big VAM w/ a cone filter
-Walbro 255 pump,
-adj regulator [love my BBK] and f/p guage you can see going down the track.
-ported stock "E6" casting Ex manifold
-stock down pipe run open or cut out
-slicks or ET streets
-skinnies help.
-bypass power steering pump
-Home made or $50 gillis boost controller online...
-race gas
-T3 turbos - 20-25 psi.. If running a T3 20 psi should get you 12.70s in a well tuned car, 25 psi will go 12.50s.
-IHI Turbos - I wired the w/g shut and went 12.80s @ 103.9 boost hovered around 22-23 psi. which was all the IHI would make on a stock longblock, and I wouldn't expect it to love long at those turbine shaft speeds lol.
-Timing you can leave it stock, it will get it done, but you can also unplug the spout, set the timing to 26-27* [RACE GAS A MUST] and leave spout unplugged tighten dizzy down, and run it.. and gain a few more tenths.
Anyways these little motors have a ton of potential if you just tune it up and optimize what is there. Too many people run out and buy all kindsa stuff before they even run a baseline like above. Easiest 12s from an older car I have ever had.
Also the SVO has been sold and motor is now in my 85 Turbo Coupe... So it will be low 12s ish first track outting till I get the 8.8 / 3.73 rear sitting on the floor put in... But it pulls like this now.. not bad for an unrebuilt 27 yr old shortblock on it's 5th season of more than 25 psi..!!!
85 Turbo Coupe test pulls
I'm probably necroposting but here goes.
I have an 85 Turbo Coupe that is replacing the SVO as my race car [which isnow stock and for sale]. Anyways, 85 TC made 175 HP, and had a bit hotter cam in them same as the 85.5-86 SVOs did, and the TC still kept the ,63 turbine housing where the SVOs got the smaller more restrictive .48 turbine [both were T3 turbo.
87 / 88 brought better electronics like mentioned, but a smaller IHI turbo, and wentback to the smaller non SVO / 85-86 TC cam. Merkurs used this same TC/SVO cam hence the 175 HP NON intercooled rating they had.
My 85 TC with: L series EEC and large vam from 88 TC, cone filter, ported E6 ex mani, stock open down pipe, a line pulled off to run 18 psi, ET streets, skinnies [T Bird spares of all things lol], and bypass the PS pump with a short belt went 13.66 @ 99 MPH.
Fuel pump, regulator, injectors, turbo, intercooler, motor top to bottom, trans, clutch, 3.45 7 1/2" rear, were stock. We added a gallon of 112 to 1/4 of ultra 94 because I knew the car was going a tad lean and well, you can band aid a lot of stuff with race gas.
Everyone says vids or it didn't happen lol so here ya go
YouTube - zzzz10
Ford put SO much potential in the 2.3L turbo car combo that is already in there and people rarely use it! All these engines need to run a solid 12 in a 3000 lb race weight Mustang, even a IHI equipped motor [i've done it] are:
-A HEALTHY running motor with w/ a tune up.
-5 sp
-3.55 or 3.73s, even stock 3.45 will get it done in the early cars [3.45s went 12s in my SVO..]
-Later 87/88 TC EEC or 85.5-86 SVO EEC TC ones are common and cheap.
-Big VAM w/ a cone filter
-Walbro 255 pump,
-adj regulator [love my BBK] and f/p guage you can see going down the track.
-ported stock "E6" casting Ex manifold
-stock down pipe run open or cut out
-slicks or ET streets
-skinnies help.
-bypass power steering pump
-Home made or $50 gillis boost controller online...
-race gas
-T3 turbos - 20-25 psi.. If running a T3 20 psi should get you 12.70s in a well tuned car, 25 psi will go 12.50s.
-IHI Turbos - I wired the w/g shut and went 12.80s @ 103.9 boost hovered around 22-23 psi. which was all the IHI would make on a stock longblock, and I wouldn't expect it to love long at those turbine shaft speeds lol.
-Timing you can leave it stock, it will get it done, but you can also unplug the spout, set the timing to 26-27* [RACE GAS A MUST] and leave spout unplugged tighten dizzy down, and run it.. and gain a few more tenths.
Anyways these little motors have a ton of potential if you just tune it up and optimize what is there. Too many people run out and buy all kindsa stuff before they even run a baseline like above. Easiest 12s from an older car I have ever had.
Also the SVO has been sold and motor is now in my 85 Turbo Coupe... So it will be low 12s ish first track outting till I get the 8.8 / 3.73 rear sitting on the floor put in... But it pulls like this now.. not bad for an unrebuilt 27 yr old shortblock on it's 5th season of more than 25 psi..!!!
85 Turbo Coupe test pulls
02-07-2011, 10:44 AM
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i gotta say guys.. dollar for dollar, if you're going to spend big bucks, go turbo 
if i ever manage to save enough for another stang, it wont be N/A for long. cause when my little 2l boosted 4G63 can whoop stock/mild GT`s and z28`s... with a shitty trans, deff shows that nitrous or forced induction is the way to go
if i ever manage to save enough for another stang, it wont be N/A for long. cause when my little 2l boosted 4G63 can whoop stock/mild GT`s and z28`s... with a shitty trans, deff shows that nitrous or forced induction is the way to go
03-12-2011, 10:14 AM
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When I had my 98 v6 mustang I threw the cheapest CAI from americanmuscle on my car. I think it was $79.00 or something and it had a small filter. But even with that I noticed a bit more power out of my car and it changed the exhaust note from the inside and outside. I would suggest a CAI for any v6 for sure (K&N)
05-20-2011, 06:09 PM
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i gotta say guys.. dollar for dollar, if you're going to spend big bucks, go turbo if i ever manage to save enough for another stang, it wont be N/A for long. cause when my little 2l boosted 4G63 can whoop stock/mild GT`s and z28`s... with a shitty trans, deff shows that nitrous or forced induction is the way to go
if i ever manage to save enough for another stang, it wont be N/A for long. cause when my little 2l boosted 4G63 can whoop stock/mild GT`s and z28`s... with a shitty trans, deff shows that nitrous or forced induction is the way to go I have to whole heartedly disagree with you on this. I have an 04 3.9L and I have gone old school on it. The stock engine puts out by Ford's calculations 193 bhp. By adding dual exhaust, Steeda underdrive pully, Tom Morana's stage 3+ heads, "B" grind cam, roller rockers and the Windstar upper intake with CAI I'm now at 308bhp or 255 rwhp. These engines are not set up for turbo or superchargers. To do either properly, one requires the addition of forged internals. Dollar for dollar the best bet is to do similar work as i have done, have it properly tuned and then be amazed at how strong the car runs!! Oh and I run a 4:10 rear end as well...
05-22-2011, 10:44 PM
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Crafty,
I have to whole heartedly disagree with you on this. I have an 04 3.9L and I have gone old school on it. The stock engine puts out by Ford's calculations 193 bhp. By adding dual exhaust, Steeda underdrive pully, Tom Morana's stage 3+ heads, "B" grind cam, roller rockers and the Windstar upper intake with CAI I'm now at 308bhp or 255 rwhp. These engines are not set up for turbo or superchargers. To do either properly, one requires the addition of forged internals. Dollar for dollar the best bet is to do similar work as i have done, have it properly tuned and then be amazed at how strong the car runs!! Oh and I run a 4:10 rear end as well...
I have to whole heartedly disagree with you on this. I have an 04 3.9L and I have gone old school on it. The stock engine puts out by Ford's calculations 193 bhp. By adding dual exhaust, Steeda underdrive pully, Tom Morana's stage 3+ heads, "B" grind cam, roller rockers and the Windstar upper intake with CAI I'm now at 308bhp or 255 rwhp. These engines are not set up for turbo or superchargers. To do either properly, one requires the addition of forged internals. Dollar for dollar the best bet is to do similar work as i have done, have it properly tuned and then be amazed at how strong the car runs!! Oh and I run a 4:10 rear end as well...
i'm not going to say you are wrong. you have a good setup in my opinion, but the new modular engines dont gain AS MUCH %gain per mod when it comes to H/C/I, and for the most part, will sustain mild boost (ford sold whipple blower kits that still retained factory warrenties) as long as it has been well kept. IMO, the 4v 4.6L is a boost . the 3.8L not so much. totally different engines, get different benifits.
BTW: post pics!! i miss seeing well done v6 sn95's!
