A Few Questions from a perspective Mustang buyer!
01-20-2006, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bizness
.....and I know the lapping guys gringe when they hear somone swaped out the IRS on a Cobra.
With one of these cars and admit to removing the front sway bar, but leaving the suspension stone stock otherwise.. and watch the purists
because the cars were originally "built more for handling, not drag racing.. it's what makes an SVO an SVO why don't you build up a 2.3T Coupe or something????". :biggrin:
SS - yeah, I liked them 96-98 SVT Cobras too. I really wanted one when they first come out. So them ones are all aluminum blocks? I never knew that.
01-21-2006, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Schlodes
SS - yeah, I liked them 96-98 SVT Cobras too. I really wanted one when they first come out. So them ones are all aluminum blocks? I never knew that.
SS
02-25-2006, 05:28 AM
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well its been awhile since my last post but i've found what i believe to be a decent deal $$$ wise! let me know all your opinions good or bad!
1997 GT Vert triple black, auto (not my first choice), with 93,000kms on it for $11,990! is that a fair going price for that car or what should i offer him?
my goal is for a relaible semi-daily driver but still run high 12's low 13's all day
i figure buy this car and a S/C of some sort and i should hopefully be close!
opinions wanted as mentioned earlier!
p.s. remember i'm coming from a 2002 Camaro SS 6-spd with the SLP 345hp package that ran 13.2@108 bone stock with a 2.4 60ft and with myself (320lbs) driving! i realize right off the get go it will be deadly slow compared to the SS but idealy i want to be able to beat my old SS if i came upon it one day!
thanks guys and i look forward to meeting some of you this coming season!
1997 GT Vert triple black, auto (not my first choice), with 93,000kms on it for $11,990! is that a fair going price for that car or what should i offer him?
my goal is for a relaible semi-daily driver but still run high 12's low 13's all day
i figure buy this car and a S/C of some sort and i should hopefully be close!
opinions wanted as mentioned earlier!
p.s. remember i'm coming from a 2002 Camaro SS 6-spd with the SLP 345hp package that ran 13.2@108 bone stock with a 2.4 60ft and with myself (320lbs) driving! i realize right off the get go it will be deadly slow compared to the SS but idealy i want to be able to beat my old SS if i came upon it one day!
thanks guys and i look forward to meeting some of you this coming season!
02-25-2006, 06:28 AM
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I dunno, sounds like an OK deal to me, I wouldn't calll it a steal or anything. That's the least desired of them style cars because it's got the least HP 4.6 [215 HP]. Add to that fact it is an auto [which isn't alltogether a bad thing in a boosted car I guess] and it's gonna be a mid 15 second car at best stock. I really don't know.. that's a heavy underpowered car and I don't know if a low to morderate boost [read - streeet driven, pump gas cast piston friendly boost levels] S/C is gonna get you there..
Low 13s / high 12s? I'm not totally sure if this would get you there as i'm not a 4.6 guru [someone will chime in i'm sure] but i'm up early and bored lol. I DID have a friend who had a 1997 GT, all that was done, was he sawzalled the stock cat back off :cry2: , cold air intake or something, 4.10s, I can't remember if it even had an underdrive pulley. Stock it ran a 14.8 @ 92 MPH. With them few mods, and the bald street tires he had, it still ran 14.8-15.00s but at 96-97 MPH. So slicks/skinnies on lightweight welds/UD pulley/and a chip tune woulda made it a 13.50 or 60 car for sure. He never gutted or removed any weight either. I actually hear that unless you are making decent power [power adders or whatever] that the stock cat back is quite good on them newer cars. So his cutting it off was prolly pointless.
Anyways:
-3.73 gears, maybe 4.10s. Hell, go with 3.90 gears you can get em for 8.8s.
-off road X pipe & have your stock muffs replaced by something straight thru design like magnaflow, and see if there is any way you have can your stock ex. manifolds ported [i'm not up on 4.6s but aren't headers 'posed to be a biotch??]
-Here's were my mind is having a war. One side says a Kenne Bell blower to make off idle boost to get the pig moving, but the other side says a nice intercooled procharger which overall will make alot more HP and allow you a few more PSI boost at the same octane and the car will end up being quicker. W/ a safe tune I think the stock cast 4.6 internals should be able to tolerate 10 PSI as long as the A/F ratio is a tad fat, timing curve isn't to nutty, and it's intercooled. With the K/B blower I would bet you'd be limited to 8 or so PSI, and still pulling lots of timing out [more than w/ a intercooled setup] when having a chip done, just to avoid pinging due top lack of intercooling. The 3.73s would be a good K/B blower gear, and the 3.90s maybe a bit better with a centrifugal style like a procharger to get into revs quicker. War is settled.. Get the procharger and 3.90s.
-a fuel sytem up to the task, so 255 pump, regulator, injectors, etc.
-dyno tune with chip work, and a bigger MAF [no need to use FMUs these days]
-a bit better TQ convertor and a good shift kit and trans cooler.
-IMO this will help tremdously. A set of welds [Prostars would look nice on that car] w/ skinnies up front. And on the rears, them new Mickey Thompson ET Street drag radials.
If the above didn't go 12.90 it would go low 13s I would think. Seems like alot of dough to shell out for low 13s.
If you did the above to a 99 - up GT vert i've no doubt it would go 12s as they are already about 45 HP ahead of the game and the better flowing intake and heads would making boosting the caer that much more effective.
IMO it's up to you, but if you want 12s i'd wait and get a 99-up GT and go from there. You can go 12.90s N/A with them 5 speed and a stock motor with simple bolt ons, steep gears, slicks n skinnies.
Low 13s / high 12s? I'm not totally sure if this would get you there as i'm not a 4.6 guru [someone will chime in i'm sure] but i'm up early and bored lol. I DID have a friend who had a 1997 GT, all that was done, was he sawzalled the stock cat back off :cry2: , cold air intake or something, 4.10s, I can't remember if it even had an underdrive pulley. Stock it ran a 14.8 @ 92 MPH. With them few mods, and the bald street tires he had, it still ran 14.8-15.00s but at 96-97 MPH. So slicks/skinnies on lightweight welds/UD pulley/and a chip tune woulda made it a 13.50 or 60 car for sure. He never gutted or removed any weight either. I actually hear that unless you are making decent power [power adders or whatever] that the stock cat back is quite good on them newer cars. So his cutting it off was prolly pointless.
Anyways:
-3.73 gears, maybe 4.10s. Hell, go with 3.90 gears you can get em for 8.8s.
-off road X pipe & have your stock muffs replaced by something straight thru design like magnaflow, and see if there is any way you have can your stock ex. manifolds ported [i'm not up on 4.6s but aren't headers 'posed to be a biotch??]
-Here's were my mind is having a war. One side says a Kenne Bell blower to make off idle boost to get the pig moving, but the other side says a nice intercooled procharger which overall will make alot more HP and allow you a few more PSI boost at the same octane and the car will end up being quicker. W/ a safe tune I think the stock cast 4.6 internals should be able to tolerate 10 PSI as long as the A/F ratio is a tad fat, timing curve isn't to nutty, and it's intercooled. With the K/B blower I would bet you'd be limited to 8 or so PSI, and still pulling lots of timing out [more than w/ a intercooled setup] when having a chip done, just to avoid pinging due top lack of intercooling. The 3.73s would be a good K/B blower gear, and the 3.90s maybe a bit better with a centrifugal style like a procharger to get into revs quicker. War is settled.. Get the procharger and 3.90s.
-a fuel sytem up to the task, so 255 pump, regulator, injectors, etc.
-dyno tune with chip work, and a bigger MAF [no need to use FMUs these days]
-a bit better TQ convertor and a good shift kit and trans cooler.
-IMO this will help tremdously. A set of welds [Prostars would look nice on that car] w/ skinnies up front. And on the rears, them new Mickey Thompson ET Street drag radials.
If the above didn't go 12.90 it would go low 13s I would think. Seems like alot of dough to shell out for low 13s.
If you did the above to a 99 - up GT vert i've no doubt it would go 12s as they are already about 45 HP ahead of the game and the better flowing intake and heads would making boosting the caer that much more effective.
IMO it's up to you, but if you want 12s i'd wait and get a 99-up GT and go from there. You can go 12.90s N/A with them 5 speed and a stock motor with simple bolt ons, steep gears, slicks n skinnies.
02-25-2006, 05:43 PM
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thanks for such a detailed reply Schlodes i appreciate it! well my plans may have changed for the time being because i've just landed a sweet 2nd job! i may just be able to bag that '03 or '04 Cobra after all! 
thanks again
thanks again
02-25-2006, 09:02 PM
#27
Originally Posted by slvr02ss
thanks for such a detailed reply Schlodes i appreciate it! well my plans may have changed for the time being because i've just landed a sweet 2nd job! i may just be able to bag that '03 or '04 Cobra after all!
thanks again
thanks again
good luck...you wont regret a vert!!!
02-25-2006, 09:21 PM
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sounds nice but what shall you be doing with this car? cruising, drags or turns? cruising, great choice! my stang is great for that, but it being a vert handling and dragging will be much more difficult due to lack of body rigidity. anybody feel free to correct me on this.
02-26-2006, 07:28 AM
#29
Originally Posted by LANE_SVT
sounds nice but what shall you be doing with this car? cruising, drags or turns? cruising, great choice! my stang is great for that, but it being a vert handling and dragging will be much more difficult due to lack of body rigidity. anybody feel free to correct me on this.
He will need a good set of subframe connectors...the ones Ford use are..well..not the greatest...you can get a better set from Steeda or a host of other places. If you serious about dragging that would be my first mod...you will soon run into other problems from the track including needing a welded rollbar..and then eventually a full cage....but for test and tune stuff depending on the track you should be okay..unless you want to go 10"s..lol
02-26-2006, 04:24 PM
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well the car will be used for a lot of cruising but i do intend to drag it a fair amount as well! i'm not even sure what my goal would be with a Cobra but 11's for sure!
i'm kinda having a conflict of interest right now because there are a few nice Z06 Corvettes in the area for sale and the Corvette has always been #1 on my dream car pedestal!
have you run any Z06's Biz? if so what is the outcome?
i know that stock vs stock the Z06 should win but the Cobra is just way too easy to mod!
i'm kinda having a conflict of interest right now because there are a few nice Z06 Corvettes in the area for sale and the Corvette has always been #1 on my dream car pedestal!
have you run any Z06's Biz? if so what is the outcome?
i know that stock vs stock the Z06 should win but the Cobra is just way too easy to mod!
