...having to deal with the "I know Im right" salesman
11-28-2010, 08:51 PM
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It just keeps getting better!!!!
This afternoon I decided to see if the 17" they replaced with the 16" would fit .................................................. ............
This after I was telling the guy (Mr tire expert) that I did not think 17" would fit and a safe bet would be with 18",well the 17" do NOT clear the caliper,turn the wheel and there is a nasty metal to metal grinding sound!
Im taking Tues off and driving straight up to the dealership and downright freaking out. These idiots best be ready to offer me GT alloys with either Firestone or BF Goodrich rubber, failing which I want my cash back plus gas money ... you really gotta try hard to be a moron such as these guys.
"Oh we sell millions of these wheels for Mustangs,I guarantee you they'll fit" that was two sizes away!
This afternoon I decided to see if the 17" they replaced with the 16" would fit .................................................. ............
This after I was telling the guy (Mr tire expert) that I did not think 17" would fit and a safe bet would be with 18",well the 17" do NOT clear the caliper,turn the wheel and there is a nasty metal to metal grinding sound!
Im taking Tues off and driving straight up to the dealership and downright freaking out. These idiots best be ready to offer me GT alloys with either Firestone or BF Goodrich rubber, failing which I want my cash back plus gas money ... you really gotta try hard to be a moron such as these guys.
"Oh we sell millions of these wheels for Mustangs,I guarantee you they'll fit" that was two sizes away!
11-28-2010, 09:14 PM
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Unbelievable.Does your stang have the upgrade brakes?Normally the base model rims in the early models (bfore the 5.0L cam out) had the 17's.So in theory,the 17" snow would fit......unless they had the upgrade brakes which are offered with the 2011's.
Sucks you have to go threw with this anyways.The sales guys should know your car inside out beofre you make the purchase.He obviuously didn't.Good luck.
Sucks you have to go threw with this anyways.The sales guys should know your car inside out beofre you make the purchase.He obviuously didn't.Good luck.
11-28-2010, 10:58 PM
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LOL I keep telling them I have Brembo calipers... and then ask them to repeat the info I just gave them just to make sure they got the "Brembo" part right lmao!
Im going to be blunt with them this time around, if they are not prepared to offer me GT alloys and good rubber I will take my cash back and going to get something nice from Tire Rack... I found a set of 4 rims in 17" made by Bremmer Kraft, 17x8 front and 17x 9.5 rear,4 TMS sensors installed,Road force balanced,4 bridgestone Blizzak tires, all taxes, all shipping brokerage fees in for $1530 to my door, so paying another $350 out of pocket is all it will cost me and I get what I want... keep it simple!
Im going to be blunt with them this time around, if they are not prepared to offer me GT alloys and good rubber I will take my cash back and going to get something nice from Tire Rack... I found a set of 4 rims in 17" made by Bremmer Kraft, 17x8 front and 17x 9.5 rear,4 TMS sensors installed,Road force balanced,4 bridgestone Blizzak tires, all taxes, all shipping brokerage fees in for $1530 to my door, so paying another $350 out of pocket is all it will cost me and I get what I want... keep it simple!
11-28-2010, 11:07 PM
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I'm willing to pay more, and I did make that fact known to this guy that called me from the dealership,supposedly he's the " tire expert", he sounded surprised that I could not find any real review on these tires,or the fact the web site I did come up with does not even list thread wear index...for all I know they could be as low as 20,000km or as high as whatever! I also ran a tire search on their search engine that does NOT list, other than a fiesta any FORD products!
Apperently, these tires are supported by GM ... they go by the name; GT radial(s)... They may very well be a merging new company bringing new innovation to market,at what appears to be very reasonable cost to the end user... however, I don't feel conformable using ANY tire that in my opinion could be unsafe or somehow compromised.
I also found it suspect when I spoke to Adam about these wheels... he told me he would call me back after he spoke with the manager,BUT instead I get a call from some guy named "Dave" the tire expert and goes on to tell me that is are actually an incredibly great tire,says they had them on hand, but not BF Goodrich,so they used these Champiro.
I'm going to keep this simple, these tires are going back, I want nothing to do with this deal,and I'll get a full refund... then pick what package of rims/tires I want from Tire Rack.
My wife's cousin bought him self a set of 18" alloy's by Montegi shod with Michelin winter tires... shipping, HST,brokerage fees, tire disposal fee... all in to HIS door for $1,540. 12 spoke design in smoky gun metal.
They can get me a set of GT wheels with BF Goodrich skins, and Im willing to add $300 to round up $1500,and not a red cent more!
For reference, here's an addy;
:http://www.gtradial-us.com/gtradial/us/index.asp
Apperently, these tires are supported by GM ... they go by the name; GT radial(s)... They may very well be a merging new company bringing new innovation to market,at what appears to be very reasonable cost to the end user... however, I don't feel conformable using ANY tire that in my opinion could be unsafe or somehow compromised.
I also found it suspect when I spoke to Adam about these wheels... he told me he would call me back after he spoke with the manager,BUT instead I get a call from some guy named "Dave" the tire expert and goes on to tell me that is are actually an incredibly great tire,says they had them on hand, but not BF Goodrich,so they used these Champiro.
I'm going to keep this simple, these tires are going back, I want nothing to do with this deal,and I'll get a full refund... then pick what package of rims/tires I want from Tire Rack.
My wife's cousin bought him self a set of 18" alloy's by Montegi shod with Michelin winter tires... shipping, HST,brokerage fees, tire disposal fee... all in to HIS door for $1,540. 12 spoke design in smoky gun metal.
They can get me a set of GT wheels with BF Goodrich skins, and Im willing to add $300 to round up $1500,and not a red cent more!
For reference, here's an addy;
:http://www.gtradial-us.com/gtradial/us/index.asp
11-29-2010, 07:32 AM
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LOL I keep telling them I have Brembo calipers... and then ask them to repeat the info I just gave them just to make sure they got the "Brembo" part right lmao!
Im going to be blunt with them this time around, if they are not prepared to offer me GT alloys and good rubber I will take my cash back and going to get something nice from Tire Rack... I found a set of 4 rims in 17" made by Bremmer Kraft, 17x8 front and 17x 9.5 rear,4 TMS sensors installed,Road force balanced,4 bridgestone Blizzak tires, all taxes, all shipping brokerage fees in for $1530 to my door, so paying another $350 out of pocket is all it will cost me and I get what I want... keep it simple!
Im going to be blunt with them this time around, if they are not prepared to offer me GT alloys and good rubber I will take my cash back and going to get something nice from Tire Rack... I found a set of 4 rims in 17" made by Bremmer Kraft, 17x8 front and 17x 9.5 rear,4 TMS sensors installed,Road force balanced,4 bridgestone Blizzak tires, all taxes, all shipping brokerage fees in for $1530 to my door, so paying another $350 out of pocket is all it will cost me and I get what I want... keep it simple!
Just saying because does tire rack have the brembo pack listed in the pull down options when you input your car to search for tires? Maybe they think you got the regular brakes?
11-29-2010, 12:49 PM
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Oh yeah Tire rack does not really miss a beat... once you choose the year/make model it brings up a with or without brembo package. I spoke with the owner this morning and he did say because of the two layer inner hat and welds, they should have gone with minimum 18's and he would recommend they actually skip up to the 19's because of this exact issue with steelies.
He'll get back to me later today... he was also pretty pissed at staff that just switched brands to some generic "Chapiro" tire, he did say to me if I got BF Goodrich in 16" They should have replaced with the same brand tires,not assume I would just agree to a "switch".
I hate this sort of drama, especially when it's uncalled for!
He'll get back to me later today... he was also pretty pissed at staff that just switched brands to some generic "Chapiro" tire, he did say to me if I got BF Goodrich in 16" They should have replaced with the same brand tires,not assume I would just agree to a "switch".
I hate this sort of drama, especially when it's uncalled for!
12-11-2010, 01:19 AM
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4th time lucky!!!!!! LOL. They were able to get 18"steelies and I was offered a choice of 2 winter tires,either the BF Goodrich or the "Wdrive Yokohama 245/50R/18" 104V.
I went with the Yoko's, all reviews I read on the Yoko's placed them ahead of the BFG,pretty much a 4.8/9 out of a 5!
They arrived this am at 11, threw them on... when I got to the 4th wheel it started to snow.
These retail, give or take a few bucks around the $300 mark in the GTA,not sure what the cost of the 18" steelies is, but I would put them to at least $100 apiece,with tax in that would put the package just north of $1800... the sales manager that I spoke with suggested I pay an additional $300 to even out their cost,I suggested he refunds me the full amount I paid for the wheels for all the bullshit they put me through,I also reminded him I had a sales contract that was signed by the dealership that included a set of winter wheels with BFG rubbers that would FIT my new ride, and I was not interested in amending additional costs... 20 minutes later the dealership owner called and told me that as long as I was "happy" with the wheels,I did not have to pay the difference, they also threw in the trunk "grocery net" in.
In good faith, if I was told UP FRONT what the real cost of these wheels/tires was going to be,I would have just paid the difference OR declined the whole offer and gone with after market alloys through Tire Rack,but they sold me this set for $1200 and I was not prepared to modify my cost after the fact, to suit their sorry asses for their mess ups (4 times).
After the install I took the ride out, in the wet and checked out the winter wheels, we had light snow on the ground,some freezing conditions here and there,and moisture... and these things grab real good,handling is superb, cornering is really sure footed,and I also did a few hard stops,which brought the car to a stop in impressive short distance... overall,Im happy with the performance of the Yoko's.
Im just glad this is finally behind me,I was nervous driving a new 2011 GTCS with summer rubber in winter, as temps and winter conditions worsened, I could feel them loosing grip, even in the most mundane driving of stop and go.
At least now I feel confident and prepared to tackle the winter months with snow tires installed.
I went with the Yoko's, all reviews I read on the Yoko's placed them ahead of the BFG,pretty much a 4.8/9 out of a 5!
They arrived this am at 11, threw them on... when I got to the 4th wheel it started to snow.
These retail, give or take a few bucks around the $300 mark in the GTA,not sure what the cost of the 18" steelies is, but I would put them to at least $100 apiece,with tax in that would put the package just north of $1800... the sales manager that I spoke with suggested I pay an additional $300 to even out their cost,I suggested he refunds me the full amount I paid for the wheels for all the bullshit they put me through,I also reminded him I had a sales contract that was signed by the dealership that included a set of winter wheels with BFG rubbers that would FIT my new ride, and I was not interested in amending additional costs... 20 minutes later the dealership owner called and told me that as long as I was "happy" with the wheels,I did not have to pay the difference, they also threw in the trunk "grocery net" in.
In good faith, if I was told UP FRONT what the real cost of these wheels/tires was going to be,I would have just paid the difference OR declined the whole offer and gone with after market alloys through Tire Rack,but they sold me this set for $1200 and I was not prepared to modify my cost after the fact, to suit their sorry asses for their mess ups (4 times).
After the install I took the ride out, in the wet and checked out the winter wheels, we had light snow on the ground,some freezing conditions here and there,and moisture... and these things grab real good,handling is superb, cornering is really sure footed,and I also did a few hard stops,which brought the car to a stop in impressive short distance... overall,Im happy with the performance of the Yoko's.
Im just glad this is finally behind me,I was nervous driving a new 2011 GTCS with summer rubber in winter, as temps and winter conditions worsened, I could feel them loosing grip, even in the most mundane driving of stop and go.
At least now I feel confident and prepared to tackle the winter months with snow tires installed.
12-11-2010, 02:01 AM
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I can't believe they even tried to get more money out of you , what nerve... I am glad you told them to eat it as 4 timed you took time out of your day to get this done.... They should be dropping it an extra few bucks but I am happy to see you on the road and happy... Take care out there
