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2k6s197 05-22-2009 01:31 PM

speakers change/upgrade
 
I plan on changing the speakers in my car this weekend. I want to change the 2 rears and the 2 doors but leave the shaker 500 subs in the doors. I currently just have the shaker 500 and don't plan to upgrade it. I am just changing the rear speakers because they have had a rattle since I got the car and it's getting worse and annoying.

I guess my question is, with just having the shaker 500, is it beneficial to change the speakers all around? would it make much of an improvement in sound or is just changing the rear speakers fine enough since i won't get a difference?

the place I am going to suggested using JL Audio speakers...
does anyone have any thoughts, comments, reviews of JL Audio speakers?

any other suggestions to go with the shaker 500 system?

comments and suggestions please :)

aCiD 05-22-2009 01:46 PM

You wouldn't notice a quality improvement replacing only the rears, you'd just be eliminating the rattling you described. For an improvement in quality replace all of them, and there certainly will be an improvement.

I'm not familiar with the front speaker setup in the s197, is there a tweeter, 6.5" and a shaker sub in the door?

Also, I have no personal experience with JL, but I have not heard bad things specifically.

2k6s197 05-22-2009 01:51 PM

thanks for the reply... i will replace all 4 then...

the doors are 5 x 7's just like the rears...
don't think there are tweeters..

maybe someone with a shaker 500 in an 06 can confirm this?

aCiD 05-22-2009 02:01 PM

Isn't there a tweeter pod up in the front corner of the door glass? Like in the Mach460 system.

Also, if possible, get reducer plates and put 6.5" round speakers in the front instead of 5x7s, long story about audio, but they will produce better sound. And yes, and 6.5" will fit even though it's only 5" wide.

I don't believe there's subs in the front doors, just the mid range, which you'd be replacing if you got a new JL component setup.

You can stick with 5x7s in the rear for cost reasons, as they're essentially just for fill sound, but if you're looking to be more serious, change those to 6.5s as well.

2k6s197 05-22-2009 02:17 PM

I am not seeing any tweeters in the front dash/door area unless I am missing them...

the shaker 500 system has the speakers on each door and the sub just below it... I didn't plan on replacing those because they are fine and the front speakers sound fine but I just figured it would be better to replace them all around (except the door subs). I will ask about the 6.5"'s in the door..

here is a pic of the shaker 500 door panel http://www.mustangsuk.com/images/13a6_4.jpg

aCiD 05-22-2009 02:22 PM

Hmmmm, ok, maybe they're coaxial 5x7s up front and not component setups, will have to wait for an s197 audio guy to comment on that.

But then yea, you're on the right track, I don't know how the front speakers are amped, if there's a discrete channel for the mid and high, and one for the sub. If there isn't a discrete channel, will have to watch out for impedance issues replacing the mid/high drivers. Otherwise, should be fine.

Replacing speakers and keeping stock amps/HU can be a bitch sometimes :P

2k6s197 05-22-2009 02:26 PM

i've never upgraded my cars stereos before and now i feel like i'd like a bit more umph.. to my music listening.. so all help is appreciated.. :)
the shop I am going to seem to be familiar with the s197's with shaker 500/1000 and ive only heard good about them... So i will see how it goes unless any s197's can step up.. lol

thanks alot for the help aCiD.. much appreciated... I will let you know the outcome this weekend as well.. lol

SNAKEBITE 05-22-2009 05:10 PM

I spent 5000.00 back in May 91 on a custom system for the 90 gt. Since then I have left all stereo's stock. Sorry I could not help but good luck:tup

aCiD 05-23-2009 12:34 AM

No problem man.

The day I bought my 99, I had the stereo on for 5 minutes and immediately turned it off, it was un-listen-to-able. Got home that day, began rewiring the entire car, I have over 100 hours in my stereo install, and it's just amazing (at least I think so :P).

PS: DUNCAN HILLS COFFEE RULES!

2k6s197 05-23-2009 01:07 AM

if i knew what i was doing... i would definitaly wire up my own system :)

lol at duncan hills...

are they making a season 3 do you know?

aCiD 05-23-2009 01:14 AM


Originally Posted by dethklok81 (Post 112002)
if i knew what i was doing... i would definitaly wire up my own system :)

lol at duncan hills...

are they making a season 3 do you know?

"At San Diego Comic Con 2008, Tommy Blacha confirmed that the show would be renewed for a third season which, according to a January [adult swim] bump, is supposed to premiere in the fall of 2009"

YAY!

2k6s197 05-23-2009 08:00 AM

awesome!!! can't wait.. :) I saw them live in Montreal last summer... AWESOME!!

Untamed 05-23-2009 06:32 PM

I have never kept a stereo completely stock in any of my cars. Your shaker system probably has a component system mid woofer, as aCid stated, with a separate tweeter up top which is probably similar to my mach 460 system. The only thing I changed was the rears to stock sized infinity kappa's which sound amazing and complete the system along with a good set of subs in the trunk, which i have. Just change the rears for now and keep the shakers up front.. I'm sure you won't be dissappointed.

BTW.. I would never recomend JL Audio to anyone. Junk.

Sonic40 05-23-2009 08:23 PM

The speakers in the rear deck and the top door speakers are the same size coaxle. The lower ones are the subs. I replaced mind with Polk Audio ones. JL are suppose to be decent. I haven't heard any one complain about them. Anyways I got mind from Crutchfield.ca. If you go to their site make sure you put in the year and make, model etc and it will tell you what is compatible with your car and setup. If you buy from them they will include installation instructions and the adapter harness so you don't have to cut and splice.

mustang_fr500 05-24-2009 01:40 AM

I have a 05 GT that had the shaker 500. I took that piece of crap out pretty quick too. I believe that there is 8" subs and 5x8's in the doors and 5x8's in the back. 5x7's will probably fit as well. There is also an amp in each door for the 8's. I am pretty sure all the speakers are 6ohms as well. Which means you might have to special order speakers if you want to run the stock head unit. I highly suggest replacing everything if you want good sound quality. I currently have a pioneer double din touchscreen dvd player that puts out real good power at a good price. The stock head units are terrible at high volume for distortion. If you want better sound quality get rid of the shaker. I am currently still running stock speakers plus an alpine r15 with an alpine amp. When hooking up a aftermarket HU to the stock 8" amps, the turn on wire must have the voltage lowered. The stock amps in the doors run a 6V turn on unlike aftermarket units use a 12V turn on. I used a couple of "podi's"(variable resisters) to step down the voltage so they don't pop when turning on or off. I am using the built in HPF and EQ in the HU to give the 6 speakers only mids and highs and my sub for all the bass. Which helps those stock speakers from distorting so much. I have had JL's before and i was happy but i love alpine. Any aftermarket replacement of stock parts is better in this case but if you want real good quality and adjustablity I highly suggest getting rid of the shaker head unit. I have had many systems and no stock stereo I have heard ever heard comes close. I do have to say though, in my GT the sound out the back usually takes preference. Man I love those MagnaFlows!

Big House 05-24-2009 12:39 PM

We have a 06 V6 and a 07 GT. The shaker 500 in the V6 sucks. The shaker 500 in the GT is awesome it truly earns the title shaker. I do wonder why the V6 system suck though.

aCiD 05-24-2009 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by mustang_fr500 (Post 112041)
I have a 05 GT that had the shaker 500. I took that piece of crap out pretty quick too. I believe that there is 8" subs and 5x8's in the doors and 5x8's in the back. 5x7's will probably fit as well. There is also an amp in each door for the 8's. I am pretty sure all the speakers are 6ohms as well. Which means you might have to special order speakers if you want to run the stock head unit. I highly suggest replacing everything if you want good sound quality. I currently have a pioneer double din touchscreen dvd player that puts out real good power at a good price. The stock head units are terrible at high volume for distortion. If you want better sound quality get rid of the shaker. I am currently still running stock speakers plus an alpine r15 with an alpine amp. When hooking up a aftermarket HU to the stock 8" amps, the turn on wire must have the voltage lowered. The stock amps in the doors run a 6V turn on unlike aftermarket units use a 12V turn on. I used a couple of "podi's"(variable resisters) to step down the voltage so they don't pop when turning on or off. I am using the built in HPF and EQ in the HU to give the 6 speakers only mids and highs and my sub for all the bass. Which helps those stock speakers from distorting so much. I have had JL's before and i was happy but i love alpine. Any aftermarket replacement of stock parts is better in this case but if you want real good quality and adjustablity I highly suggest getting rid of the shaker head unit. I have had many systems and no stock stereo I have heard ever heard comes close. I do have to say though, in my GT the sound out the back usually takes preference. Man I love those MagnaFlows!

This right here sounds like the man to listen on the s197 systems! :)

2tone 05-25-2009 08:34 AM

Changing the rear deck speakers alone may not bring an noticeable difference, but it will get rid of the voice coil rattle.

If you plan to outfit the car with a new system, go with some nice speakers. Morel, BA's and or even Polk Audios. No need to spend a fortune, but don't get the bottom of the line.

I have a few bucks into my 93's system (see sig) and all my other rides are almost all stock with the exception on head unit upgrades and even at that I have stopped upgrading on my new vehicles.


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