Since the guy has the funds to put long-tubes on then so be it. They will make the most horspower bar none - and I am talking average not just peak.

Changing the starter with any decent long-tube is no big deal (unless they are 1-7/8+) and the only ones that can be a pita are those god awful cheap-ass flowtech/hedman pieces and in that case you get what you pay for.

Alrighty, you can all go ahead and put long tubes and off-road h-pipes on your stock stangs, it'll make it easier for my stock stang to walk all ove yours.

Should they all just build a car like yours? I have a stocker with a set of long-tubes that I would gladly run you with. When is the CMOC race this year?

lol..It isnt all about quater mile times....

I dont think this car will ever see a track. I dont want to twist her. Im going more for look and sound. I dont have to etest the car so i went long tubes.

congrats
when are they comming in?


maybe if you had of said something when he asked for everyones opinion,rather then after he placed his order, then you might be able to criticis his decision :bluecool:

I pick them up on Monday

they hadn't of come in, he could of cancelled his order easily enough. if he just wants the sound that's fine. as far as racing a stocker for a stocker, well look under the Scone Racing thread in the Forced Induction forum. doubt we'll be able to do that lol. but check my page out and see how little is actually needed to run 12s (or 13s with crappy 60fts). so many people go and spend all this money on exhaust right away and all it does is hurt performance. i'm just trying to look out for the guy who hasn't got a lot of money and wants to go fast, I've proven it can be done.

So which is it? is free-er flowing exhaust a good thing or not? Because, you just said it hurts performance...

From your site, your car has...
- Open exhaust off ported headers
- 3.73 gears
- Ported TB
- MSD Coil
- slicks on rear, skinnies on front
- Removed front sway bar
- Electric Fan
- UD pullies
- 16* timing
- 13.29 @ 101.29 MPH - 1.82 60' ft.

I'd hardly consider 1.82 a crappy 60-ft. Most guys on street tires (not DR's) are upwards of 2.1. With street tires your car is likely in the high 13s. Without getting the parts used or free, your mods aren't THAT cheap.

Uh you'll have to read more carefully next time...

open exhaust after the stock 4 cat (ungutted) H-pipe
9 or 10 year old ET Streets..not slicks

had i had slicks, or if St. Thomas would prep their track 1.6 60fts would have been possible resulting in a high 12 second pass. my 102MPH run shows that the car has the power for 12s even with the little done (gears, pullies, and an MSD Coil). and don't forget, my car is an 86 with the crappy flowing E6 heads unlike you 87+ guys AND it's 300,000Kms ain't helping it either lol

so no, when you're as stock as me you don't need free flowing exhaust. you need back pressure for lots of off the line tq

a good example of it hurting is my buddies old 89 coupe. with some minor bolt ons (like me...and a couple other things like an aluminum ds, weld wheels, etc.) he ran 13.1, after that he put on equal length shorties and an off-road x-pipe, went back and went SLOWER. the car felt like it was screaming up top, but all the low end grunt was just gone, and that hurt it at the track.

no, you don't NEED it, but it helps...what any header loses in low end power, it EASILY more than makes up for it in top end power.

Different day, different times...sorry, but that data means nothing...