what do i need with a supercharger??
 

im starting to consider getting a supercharger for my car maybe by next winter since ill be done my school and starting my apprentership rockon: .....

the car it will be going on is a 98 GT with the mods listed below... im looking for a complete supercharger kit that includes everything in it... is it worth the cash i spend on the supercharger?? will it change the car dramaticly??

if u guys can please just give me a quick list of all the parts that is needed to get it bolted on.. as well as if there is any preffered systems i shall be looking for.. thank you teeth:

Lots of money...LOL. Though it is worth it. Buy new kit. Not used. Don't go huge on PSI, your car will not handle it without major modifications. But it is the best way to go for hp boost. That, or twins. Twins are a huge job though. SC is supposed to be much easier.

i was actually considering used but now that u mentioned it i guess not.. and yeah damnnnn the prices are soo high run:

Check out this site
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...tKeyField=5290
Best I could find for prices.
select engines on the left, then superchargers and find your year. The packages are seperate from the superchargers.

that definitly is the cheapest..

are these prices canadian

supercharger
 

basically this is a good start:


used s trim vortech kit(several for sale on many sites)

42 lb injectors

retune the computer(Diablo or SCT)

bigger fuel pump

this will run you around $3000-$3500

good parts aren't CHEAP<CHEAP parts aren't good!

will it be worth it thooo what the power gains gonna be around any clues??

stole this from a site, i have been cvhecking out S/Cers as well.

Detailed Description
When you buy a Mustang GT you enter into a certain breed of dedicated car enthusiasts. The Vortech supercharging system for this application is phenomenal. OEM fit, finish and appearance show the dedication that Vortech puts into all of its designs. Bolt on a safe 75 horsepower and 80 ft/lbs of torque to an unmodified engine.

Adds 75 horsepower
Adds 80 ft/lbs of torque
6-8 PSIG
Includes SQ-Trim supercharger

IMo roots are the way to go, like a kenne bell or wahtever else tickles your doo dad.

IMHO on a 98 GT a PI head swap would be of more benifit right now than a blower would. do PI heads.............then a KB. my buddy has a 99GT with a 1.6 KB and he is running 12ohs at a very regular rate.

x2 on the PI swap first.

KB is good, but have heard they are heat monsters too (even intercooled) but they do have good low end torque. Plus the sound of a KB is undeniable cream in your pants hot!

If I was going centrifugal blower....Vortech S Trim, Procharger P1sc, Novi2000.

You can get kits that have everything included in them.

IMO....if you're thinking about a blower install.....and you're thinking $3500.....not sure about that....maybe if you buy everything used and do the install yourself

new Vortec kits are what? $3800 US....+ exchange, shipping, taxes.....so call it $5k.....plus another $200ish for a fuel pump.....shop install costs are usually around $1000......so you're over 6k.....if you want polished....add another grand

and don't forget about budgeting for dyno time and tune....it's not free or cheap.....FP and boost gauges aren't a must....but it's nice to see what's going on - and that's a few more bucks

it's not difficult to hit $10K on a blower install

FWIW...stock (with a catted X, Borla catback, an drop in K+N) my car put down 223rwhp....with a 1.7l KB at 6psi...we're putting down 348rwhp

and yeah...you can feel an extra 125 at the wheels

3k for a vortech tuner kit, no injectors, no maf, no fuel pump, no tune.

You can find the rest of the stuff for approximately 500 bucks used.

is that $3k out of pocket

or is it $3k US.....which after exchange, shipping and taxes is more like $3925.00

i have found several S/C with feul pump, MAF, injectors and all the stuffyou need for 2.8K and under shipped.
2.8k(US)= 3,165.12 CAN
this is just not one deal i happen to stumble across. i have found at least 5 in the past 3 weeks of searching for a S/Cer.

now on top of that, you will still PROBALLY need a tune, and depending how mechanicly inclined you are, you might need it installed...

im sure if you were the right person, you could buy everything and install it for around 3K.waiting for teh perfect deal for everything.

p1 that and be done with it...


easiest/cheapest/best(for what you want) thumb:

If your going SC save some money and don't do the whole PI kit. The PI kit will raise your compression to 10 to 1 which is not ideal for a SC'd engine. If you go centrifical, look into a PI Intake, the non-PI intakes are very restrictive. If you need one I have 1 in my garage.

thanks dude... but im looking to get the kenne bell system..

does anyone now anything about it.. feedback good or no i just like how it sits on top of the motor??

Its not just the looks you need to consider! its all the above but roots is the best I dont care what anyone says......unless you can rev at 10000 rpm then its a tuff call.

Do you no what the differances are? Do you know when the boost starts between the two of them? Have you seen the price differance? LOL big $$$$ for KB.

x2 for the p1d s/c

read every page of this site about 10 times....not sure how many out there are on 96-98 4.6l

http://www.kennebell.net/supercharge...2v/gt96-04.htm


pros IMO
comes with a new intake manifold
looks so freakin sweet
no need to relocate your battery
no tapping the oil pan
serious power right from the tap of the pedal
blower whine = bonerville

cons
price - it ain't cheap
tune - gotta make sure you go to someone who knows how to tune a KB...which we luckily have in Southern Ont.

You really can't go wrong with the Kenne Bell SC. As mentioned in a previous post, his website provides a wealth of information so read it a few times. I run a intercooled Allen Kit on my car which is a positive displacement SC similar to a KB.

The postive displacement SC's make HUGE torque. It is hard to describe but here goes: I have no kick-in boost when I'm driving, it simply feels like there is a bigger engine under the hood. With the way it drives, my car is actually faster than it feels. I knew it was fast but I didn't expect it to run mid 12's on street tires with an automatic and 9lbs of boost. With slicks, high 11's are in the future (I hope).

3000 for the tuner kit (no inj/maf/pump) from a dealer in calgary. plus tune/install if needed.

KB are heat pumps even intercooled. they do provide alot of low end torque

2000BLKGT

You get blower whine with any blower.
Procharger : No tapping oil pan
No need to relocate battery unless you are using Vortech Aftercooler. A simple sheet metal intercooler will do with a centri. blower.

blah blah blah blah blah....yeah KenneBell blowers are pieces of and nobody should buy them ZZZ:

centrifugal blowers whine at idle and are pretty much quiet up in the rpms....PD blowers are the opposite....am I wrong here???

with regard to Procharger....I've never researched the brand....Vortec/Paxton seems to be the idiot-proof way to go on the 4.6l for a centrifugal.

I simply offer my input on price because I think encouraging someone to do a blower install for $3k is irresponsible.....yeah....some can pull it off.....but promoting it as a no sweat project....you're asking for a wake up call

"3000 for the tuner kit (no inj/maf/pump) from a dealer in calgary. plus tune/install if needed.".....BTW....new prices of injectors are what $500-$600 for a set.....$300-$400 for a MAF....$200 for a pump.....and a tune "IF NEEDED"....dude.....you are thinking the wrong way about this....safety costs money.....dyno time isn't free.....chips cost $500.....tuning costs vary....suffice to say, the more time, the more money.....and if you bolt together some junk yard set up.....have fun tuning it quick

Anytime you compress air, heat is created. It's a by-product of compression. It's basic science 101. If you've ever seen a Vortech with 9lb's of boost being datalogged on the dyno, the IAT are around 200 degrees. The only way to cool the heated incoming air is through intercooling.

There is 3 types of intercooling: air-to water, air to air, or chemical intercooling.

Getting back to the original thread:

If your SC'ing a 98GT, the major restriction is the intake manifold. Therefore a positive displacement SC would be ideal since the plastic intake is removed.

Based on personal experience, I would look for a "complete kit" which includes everything you need for the install. Mine was a complete kit so I saved myself $1500 by installing it myself in the garage.

I am in no way saying KB's are pieces of . I have heard that the produce more heat than a centri blower.

All superchargers have pros/cons, bottom line.

With regards to tune/install if needed. I am not dumb, i know a tune is needed, i was referring to have it installed by someone.

you can get a set of injectors plus a maf used for a few hundred dollars you just have to look in the right places.

i dont want to get in a pissing match here so, lets just all have fun with our winter time mods.

what about whipple chargers anybody got anything to add on them? ive heard good things
but thats mostly through magazines does anybody have or had one? thumb:

I dont think whipple has made a supercharger for the 4.6/2v engine.

They have a new one for the 3v, and 4v.

I believe the only whipple made for the 4.6 2V was branded "Saleen".....very pricey kit

well just thought id ask drool:
i wonder what a guy could get into a turbo kit for?

I think Meister posted a 3V turbo kit recently....IIRC, somewhere north of $7000......and if you didn't install that one by yoursellf.....the labour bill would be seriously large

yea its tuning that worries me with somthing like that dont know anybody in these part with any experiance in tuning turbo car but ive never looked into it either there very well could be.havent seen any turbo cars at the tracks either rockon:

I like the prochargers. Theres a 02 gt white stang in edmonton, runs a D1sc at 12psi and runs 12.5 at the track. NO need to relocate anything or drill a whole into your oil pan. Air/Air is much better on your vehicle that air/water. HOwever i think air/ water is what people use for track since its better over short spurts. Ive hgeard of paxton being a good brand on this site but i dont know anything about them. IS kb a roots style blower?

That is what would scare me,is spending all that cash on a blower set up,and run 12.5's :confused: ,if i had the proper drag suspension,and not this handling suspension,12.5's is where my steed would be with the mph i pull(i hear this all the time from the guys over at Mod Depot),and i have very little in hp making mods.Plus considering there is guys out there that have there 5.0L's,and 4.6L's running N/A at those times all day long,and deeper too.(Not trying to create an arguement,just stating how i witness/see it,and read it.)So for,the 4v's imppress the hell out of with the blower set up,but not the 2V's(only from what i see at the tracks),except for Zavkes (a.k.a,Vendren),that '01 GT is a freak rockon: .
Like i said,not trying to start an arguement here. thumb:

I believe it is an 03 GT if its the same one you are talking about. He is running the D1SC and to date his fastest time is 11.6....I think he is running closer to 15psi.

1LOW...you probably know him from CanadianMustangs as shaved03gt...i think he is on here too and his suspension is much like yours

Just my input, im sure if lawrence is on here he will pip up to this too.

Oh yeah,his is another freak. rockon:
I know there is a few out there that work well being blown.thumb: Zavkes has been running in the 10's.
Just on an averager to what i witness.That's all. thumb:
I think the 4V's were ment to be blown as they adapt to it a lot better.(Just my own opinion though)

Where would I find a good used Pro-charger? I have a 2000 Mustang GT convertible, regular bolt on mods and SCT tuner.

Awesome Sound!!!
 

That SOUNDS AWESOME!!! How much for the cam swap?